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To the creator of this page: why have you chosen to create [[ | To the creator of this page: why have you chosen to create [[fu'ivla|fu'ivla]] out of native Lojban elements, instead of reproducing the perfectly valid [[jbocre: lujvo|lujvo]] forms of the months and weekdays? --[[User:tsali|tsali]] | ||
* [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]] don't understand the "instead of reproducing" bit. The names for months and weekdays in Lojbo culture will surely be named by lujvo. But the categories of months and weekdays in European culture (e.g. the fact that there are 12 and 7 of them, and that they are associated with certain gods, emperors and history) are foreign concepts and therefore better named by fu'ivla than lujvo. As for why native Lojban elements are used, there is no single European language, so it is unclear which language should be borrowed from, in some cases (e.g. Monday). I suppose that "December" could be rendered as ''mastrdekimu'', drawing from Latin, but ''mastrdau'' is a calque-like borrowing that has its own kind of legitimacy (borrowing meaning rather than form). | * [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]] don't understand the "instead of reproducing" bit. The names for months and weekdays in Lojbo culture will surely be named by lujvo. But the categories of months and weekdays in European culture (e.g. the fact that there are 12 and 7 of them, and that they are associated with certain gods, emperors and history) are foreign concepts and therefore better named by fu'ivla than lujvo. As for why native Lojban elements are used, there is no single European language, so it is unclear which language should be borrowed from, in some cases (e.g. Monday). I suppose that "December" could be rendered as ''mastrdekimu'', drawing from Latin, but ''mastrdau'' is a calque-like borrowing that has its own kind of legitimacy (borrowing meaning rather than form). | ||
Revision as of 12:10, 23 March 2014
To the creator of this page: why have you chosen to create fu'ivla out of native Lojban elements, instead of reproducing the perfectly valid lujvo forms of the months and weekdays? --tsali
- And Rosta don't understand the "instead of reproducing" bit. The names for months and weekdays in Lojbo culture will surely be named by lujvo. But the categories of months and weekdays in European culture (e.g. the fact that there are 12 and 7 of them, and that they are associated with certain gods, emperors and history) are foreign concepts and therefore better named by fu'ivla than lujvo. As for why native Lojban elements are used, there is no single European language, so it is unclear which language should be borrowed from, in some cases (e.g. Monday). I suppose that "December" could be rendered as mastrdekimu, drawing from Latin, but mastrdau is a calque-like borrowing that has its own kind of legitimacy (borrowing meaning rather than form).
Lojbo culture no doubt employs some scientifical nomenclature for divisions of time, but ropno culture has a common nomenclature deeply rooted in its history. Here are possible fuhivla for the European categories.
Monday
djedrlunri
Tuesday
djedrjamna
Wednesday
djedrmidju
Thursday
djedrlindi
Friday
djedrprami
Saturday
??
Sunday
djedrsolri
January
mastrjanuari
February
mastrfebruari
March
mastrmarti
April
mastrxaprili
May
mastrmai
June
mastrxiuni
July
mastrxiuli
August
mastrxaugustu
September
mastrze
October
mastrbi
November
mastrso
December
mastrdau