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.i la Ludovik Lazar Zamenxof cu finti lo sperybau i puku LLZ jbena bu'u lo po'olska tutra poi pagbu lo rusko imperia gi'e se jibri lo ka kanla mikce gi'e jmive ca'o lo nanca poi 1859moi bi'o 1917moi

  • Nick used "charmingly maldotco" to describe Zamenhof's style in writing Esperanto; of course, this is not a use within Lojban yet.
    • Wasn't he a native Russian speaker? And didn't his Slavic usage allow the itistoj to win the -ata/-ita debate?
    • Yes, and yes, but there's still plenty of German-inspired stuff in there (verŝajne = wahrscheinlich; punctuation before subordinate clauses, etc. - more stylistic than grammatical).
      • punctuation before subordinate clauses: Can one really call this "German-inspired"? Shouldn't it rather be called "non-English" - since (as far I'm really aware of) it's the way most European languages do it (of course Yiddish, but also Hungarian, Italian etc.). BTW, I guess I never shall understand the English system: can anyone explain it to me? ;-)
        • Adam:
          • You can tell that the subordinate clauses is coming up from the word that introduces it or the grammar around it. When speaking, you don't actually pause before subordinate clauses (at least I don't). When I see those commas, it makes me stop unnecessarily: "I know, ........ that Esperanto is easy." Incidentally, I've never seen that use of commas in Hebrew.
      • Ludwik Lazarus Zamenhof (zamenxof) *Bialystok 15.12.1859 +Warsaw 14.4.1917 always was Polish (and of course Jewish), why should he have been a native Russian speaker!! (Think he knew Russian like he spoke German, Yiddish, Hebrew etc.).
        • *ahem* Zamenhof was a Litvak Jew, and as such culturally Russian. His first languages were Russian and Yiddish - not Polish. His wife (Klara Silbernik) was from Warsaw, and his kids spoke Polish; but just 'cause you're from Poland doesn't mean Polish is your first language. (At least, it didn't before 1941). .i lo nu la zamenxof cu tutrlitvaka xebro cu mukti lo nu loi se natmrlietuva (toizoigy. Lithuanian gy.toi) cu ji'a xusra lo nu la zamenxof. cu namtymintu .i mi pujeca se cfipu lodu'u le se natmi be makau cu xabju le tutrlitrvaka po'u le ca stuna gugdrpolska
        • .aulun.: