resurrected gismu

nalmorsi gismu

Nope, that's just not-dead. Try krefu zasti selstidi.

zombi gismu ? .i ca mapti

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I just noticed [1] .

So that's where all those gismu went that you thought it strange that Lojban didn't have.

birda billiards: x1 plays billiards with x2

• • Even in a worldwide sense, is billiards really that culturally important? --Plastic Raven

didni deduce: x1 deduces that x2 is true about x3 from general rule x4

ditcu duration: x1 is the time-duration/interval/period/elapsed time of event x2 (cf. cacra, cedra, citsi, ranji, tcika, junla, renvi, temci, canlu)

firca flirt: x1 flirts with x2 by doing x3

gumri mushroom: x1 is a mushroom of species x2

• The reason Lojbab regrets the loss of this is because it is wonderful for referring to things of mushroom shape, and now there is no easy way to do so.
  • Also because using mledi for edible fungi quicks him, thanks to its unfortunate keyword "mold". (Shoulda been "fungus" -- John Cowan.)

• • Aha! Yet again, Misleading Gismu Keywords eyword Considered Harmful! -- nitcion
• It's also just simply a beautiful word.

• ledgrute to me means the fruiting body of any fungus, whether mushroom or bread mold stalks or whatever. Let's bring back gumri. --phma
  • Well, mledi grute is any fruiting body of a fungus (among other things). The whole point of a lujvo is that you pick one particular meaning and make that the only one that the lujvo means. "Mushroom" is a more useful meaning (apparently) than "fruiting body of a fungus," so it seems quite reasonable to declare that the meaning of the lujvo ledgrute.

• • • The trouble with gumri is that it purports to specify a kind of fungus by its shape, but mushrooms come in many shapes (the prototypical shape being an Agaricus, I suppose). Puffballs in their edible state, e.g., are spherical.
    • Arbitrarily limiting a lujvo to what seems to be useful seems to me incredibly malglico. Ideally, the point of lujvo is to pick one gismu deep structure and make that what the lujvo means (in which case ledgrute means grute lo mledi and includes non-mushrooms).

• • • It has the risk of being malglico, but it's not intrinsically so. In fact, usefulness is the only sane criterion for picking a gismu deep structure out of the candidates in the first place.
      • Okay, but it's not a sane criterion for limiting ledgrute to mushroom-shaped fruiting bodies of fungi as opposed to all fruiting bodies of fungi.

• • Quick everyone! Blacken your home page and put "I Support gumri" into your .sigs! :) --Jay

nusna induction: x1 induces x2 about x3 from specific facts x4

arji parasite: x1 is a parasite/parasitic on x2 (not necessarily alive)

• • If x2 (or x1; it isn't totally clear; this is part of why we have Lojban) isn't necessarily alive, how can x1, by definition, be a parasite? Or is this just for metaphorical usage? --Plastic Raven

pilda pale: x1 is pale (This one has actually been used in a poem, see [2])

sicpi rain: x1 is a quantity/expanse of rain (liquid precipitation) (cf. bratu, carvi, dilnu, santa, snime, tcima, bisli, bumru) bratu, snime, and sicpi can all carvi

• Yes, but so can djacu. Is sicpi simply djacu je carvi?
  • Actually, it's something like jaclitki je carvi, but this is the specific word for a common item. bratu is simply bisli je carvi also.