unspecified Cmavo Instead of Medium
{CODE(wrap="1]]jbocre: 18:40 <vensa> btw: why is {ve'a}="small space" and {ve'i}="TINY space"? why not "medium" and "small"... this isn't mcdonalds! :P
jbocre: 18:40 <Twey> WHAT HAPPEN !!
jbocre: 18:40 <ksion> vensa: I'd say the opposite { mi jai se jai se bandu do fai(xipa) lonu do vi zvati kei faixire lonu catra lo cribe}
jbocre: 18:40 <vensa> how do I SHOT WEB
jbocre: 18:40 <selpa`i> vensa: u'isai
jbocre: 18:40 <ksion> valsi ve'u
jbocre: 18:40 <valsi> ve'u = location tense interval: a large region of space.
jbocre: 18:41 <ksion> valsi ve'a
jbocre: 18:41 <valsi> ve'a = location tense interval: a small/medium region of space.
jbocre: 18:41 <kribacr> .i da punji le jbama
jbocre: 18:41 <ksion> See, it's small/medium.
jbocre: 18:41 <vensa> ksion: but xalbo just contradicted you. no?
jbocre: 18:41 <ksion> vensa: yes.
jbocre: 18:41 <@xalbo> .i da fi'o se xlali ma'a gasnu lo jbama
jbocre: 18:41 <vensa> valsi ve'i
jbocre: 18:41 <valsi> ve'i = location tense interval: a tiny region of space.
jbocre: 18:42 <vensa> I still dont like the "tiny"
jbocre: 18:42 <kribacr> Yours is way better. :P
jbocre: 18:42 <kribacr> coi cmalu
jbocre: 18:42 <kribacr> .yy. pinji la'a
jbocre: 18:43 <@xalbo> yeah, need to fix the verbiage. All of those trios should be small/unmarked/large.
jbocre: 18:43 <vensa> ve'i pinji bu'u la kribacr
jbocre: 18:43 <kribacr> .ui
jbocre: 18:43 <vensa> xalbo: iesai, will {za} and {ze'a} also be unmakred?
jbocre: 18:44 <ksion> mi na da'i se jai cfipu la kribacr fai lonu spuda lu do mo li'u lu se pinji li'u kei u'i
jbocre: 18:44 <@xalbo> Yes.
jbocre: 18:45 <@xalbo> So only medium in that we're not saying it's large or small
jbocre: 18:45 <vensa> .ie
jbocre: 18:45 <vensa> si i'e
jbocre: 18:46 <ksion> It's like that now, too.
jbocre: 18:46 <UukGoblin> toljifyje'u
jbocre: 18:47 <vensa> ksion. it isnt clear from the def
jbocre: 18:47 <vensa> valsi za
jbocre: 18:47 <valsi> za = time tense distance: medium distance in time.
jbocre: 18:47 <ksion> u'isai Since when defs are clear? :)
jbocre: 18:47 <vensa> doesnt say "unspecifiedD"
jbocre: 18:47 <vensa> yeah... :(
jbocre: 18:48 <vensa> xalbo: I cant find ZI or ZEhA in the BPFK sections, except a reference in here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+Tense
jbocre: 18:48 <vensa> in {puza} it says "medium time" and not "unspecified" :(
jbocre: 18:49 <@xalbo> Time distance. It indicates that the event is separated in time from the speaker or reference point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the time separation distance.
jbocre: 18:49 <@xalbo> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section:+Distance
jbocre: 18:50 <vensa> that doesnt say "unspecified" either :(
jbocre: 18:51 <vensa> it's really sad that the defs arent clear enough. I even made a special cmavo that explicitly specifies *unspecified* becuz I didnt understand the existing cmavo that way
jbocre: 18:51 <vensa> valsi za'ai
jbocre: 18:51 <valsi> za'ai = time tense distance: an unspecified distance in time
jbocre: 18:51 <vensa> valsi ze'ai
jbocre: 18:51 <valsi> ze'ai = time tense interval: an unspecified amount of time
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jbocre: 18:52 <@xalbo> it doesn't have to say unspecified; it just doesn't specify.
jbocre: 18:52 <vensa> it *specifies* MEDIUM
jbocre: 18:53 <@xalbo> The byfy page doesn't.
jbocre: 18:53 <@xalbo> "Proposed definition definition differs from CLL and ma'oste in that "medium" has been removed, so that a basic form is available when the size of the interval is not particularly significant."
jbocre: 18:53 <vensa> hehe
jbocre: 18:53 <vensa> yeah I just caught sight of that note :)
jbocre: 18:54 <vensa> ok
jbocre: 18:54 <vensa> I see this section isnt even red... :(
jbocre: 18:55 <vensa> so it's far from being accepted?
jbocre: 18:57 <@xalbo> I guess so. Looks pretty good, though.
jbocre: 18:59 <vensa> is the section complete? y isnt it up for votes?
jbocre: 18:59 <@xalbo> I don't know.