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sei notci le nomoi pagbu cu ba'e .ai cfipu .i ku'i .ai fe lo tcidu cu tolsatci si'o lo dunku .e lo jai va'o nu le fikpre cu cirko lo ka sanji cu fasnu .i .e'o jungau va'o na'ebo la'e di'u da'i
[[jbocre: As the number suggests, this page is from way late in the program. It is presented now because parts of the topic are of current interest. It is not a final version, as it may need to be modified by intervening pages -- and discussion.|As the number suggests, this page is from way late in the program. It is presented now because parts of the topic are of current interest. It is not a final version, as it may need to be modified by intervening pages -- and discussion.]]


ni'o ni'o no mo'o
In logic, the variables stand for individuals, but logic makes no prescriptions about what sorts of things these individuals are.  Ordinary languages similarly do not start by defining what an individuals is to be.  However, we can – or at least linguists and philosophers have thought they could – extract from the way that users use the language what sorts of things they are talking about: objects, processes, individuals, kinds,... .  In most languages, speakers talk of several kinds of things and the task is then to figure out which one(s) the language takes as basic and how talk about the others is derived from talk about these.


ni'o zvati zi'o .i  manku je za'a na'e se jvinu se vanbi  .i  viska co cmaci se pensi se tarmi .i  ku'i cmaci natfe co dumnatfe cfipu .i  co'u jinvi co du'u ga lo cmaci gi lo zasti ja xanri cu ka'e jai te ni'i drani  .i  ja'o djuno no da
Following this (iffy, tenuous) process for Lojban gives something like the following result. The basic items to be talked about are objects: spatio-temporally continuous and delimited things. And, of course, first in order of usage are those of medium size (visible to the naked eye at earth bound ranges)Such objects have parts, which in turn have parts and so on down to subatomic particles and perhaps beyondThey also are parts of larger objects, which are also parts of still greater ones, reaching eventually to the universe (codimensional with space and time). All of the steps along this way are still objects, arrived at later in the developing use of language.


ni'o co'a se kanla .ue  .i  sanji zi'o ce'e pu pe'e je lo du'u se kanla ku ce'e ca  .i  ku'i na ka'e kanla viska  .i  srera bo cmaci je pensi viska za'.i za'a vanbi ke milxe dacti farvi vau ku'i  .i  surla ba'e je xanka  .i  lo nu zi'o binxo zi'o cu cinri je se terpa je cizra .i za'a .ua senva  .i  ku'i cikna binxo tadji na'e djuno
Beyond the simple ''mereological'' (part-whole) relations, language – but not logic – recognizes a special part-whole relation: ''constitutive'', unified, or some such termThe difference between a person’s arm and a hydrogen atom in an amino acid molecule in that same person displays how this latter relation differs from simple part-wholePart of the difference can be summed up in the claim that the careful observer can analyze what the whole does or is in terms of what the constitutive parts are or doA private saluting involves (or just is) certain characteristic movements of the right arm and hand and fingers. That motion can, in turn, be analyzed into the contraction and expansion of certain muscle fibers, the rotation of various bones at various joints, and, perhaps, even the firing pattern of certain neurons (the level to which this sort of relation extends seems to be constantly expanding downward; I doubt the atom will ever be counted, though the amino acid molecule might).


ni'o drata menli klama  .i  vi be'u se'i zvati  .i  lu ba klama fa mi do te zu'e lo nu cuxna .i  bredi fa ko li'u bu'a .i  zo bu'a zo'u za'o cfipu  .i  ju'o ru'e drata menli cliva
The other characteristic of this relation is that it continues even with spatial separationJoe’s arm is still Joe’s arm when lying on a table in the lab while Joe (the rest of him) is several floors above (transplant surgery has muddied this claim considerably: is Joe’s kidney still Joe’s when nestled by Jack’s spine and filtering blood flowing through Jack’s veins?)Atoms at least, and probably an array of higher parts of something, come and go without keeping their connection with that thing. Probably every breath we take contains an oxygen atom that was in Caesar’s last breath, but we contain no part of Caesar.


ni'o ze'u na'e fasnu .i  pensi troci co sevzi ranji .i  nandu co go'i .i ji'a nandu co nu pensi  .i morsi smadi .i lo morsi na ka'e pensi
The constitutive relation goes upward from middle-sized objects as well as downward.  But more interestingly, it extends by analogy from natural objects to ''intentional'' things, things that are created by “some objects being taken as going together” (we carefully avoid saying who does the taking and in what it consists). Let’s call these things ''groups'', as a convenient term. Basically, the objects involved relate to their group by the membership relation (set-theoretic epsilon or its unsystematized origin), but – mereology and set theory resembling one another so much – a constitutive relation also arises (intransitive like both the mereological form and epsilon itself). That is, the members of a group play the same sort of role as the constitutive parts of an objectSpatial separation is a given here, the members are discrete from one anotherBut the doing and being of the group is (is analyzed into) the doings and beings of the members -- at least initiallyAs with parts and natural wholes, what the members do may be quite different from what the group does; yet the action of the whole would not exist without the actions of the members, which account for the group action.


ni'o lo xekri mo'u klama  .i  ca gi lo nu pensi cu nandu jdika gi lo xekri cu cusku lu ba zi binxo le po'o se dapma .i  xu terpa li'u
Groups can be nonce, lasting only long enough to account for a single event (itself intentionally defined) or they may endure for a long time, spread out over a great area (with lots of spatial gaps, of course) and even undergo many changes of members while remaining “the same:” the Smith Family, New York Giants, General Motors, AF&AM Lodge 73, the neighborhood and so on(In retrospect, we see this sort of constitutive relation explaining the problem case in the natural setting: the change is like adoption or picking up a contract: last years Tiger is this years Giant, Nero Ahenobarberus becomes Nero Claudius, Joe’s kidney is now Jack’s.)


ni'o spuda fi lu .uanai mo doi li'u .i pu troci je ku'i .o'unai fliba lo zmadu .i  pu lo za'u re'u nu troci kei le xekri cu cusku lu menli gi'e gonai sevzi gi pruxi  .i  lo sevzi lo pruxi zo'u ka'e ponse  .i  ba cuxna ca la fasnu  no'i  xu terpa li'u
Groups not considered constitutively, but simple under epsilon, have less explanatory valueThey provide convenient targets for functions, when we would strain having somehow to express clearly how to go around and deal with every member separatelyWe can count the members of themWe can relate one of them to another: contained, containing, overlapping, or totally separate and count the overlaps if any.


ni'o ze'a pensi na'ebo lo te tavla .i  troci co pensi da .ije  na djuno lo du'u da mo kau .i  zo sevzi srana
At some point, groups come to be treated by a language as objects – syntactically at least, maybe even semantically and pragmatically. Still, anything that can be said by reference to a group can also be said by reference to the underlying objects alone – in theory; the practice is sometimes unresolvedly difficult. Of course, this becomes even more difficult when the “objects” involved include groups alreadySome constitutive groups even come to have names as the examples above show, though the simple sets generally do not (unless you count “the set of all …” as a name)This change is important at least in logic because, even in the guise of objects, some moves that work with basic objects do not with groups – or at least not in the way expected from the results with basic objects.


no'i spuda fi lu terpa ma .i lo mo cu vi zasti li'u .i  xekri cusku lu terpa lo darno .i ja'a no da zvati zasti .i  ku'i zvati lo drata fa lo se dunku li'u
This sort of problem becomes even more pronounced when a language ''hypostatizes'' (takes as an object) the results of other, more clearly explainable, mental processes, like generalization or abstraction or some combinations.  If there are 4n As and 3n As that are also Bs then the probability that an A is a B is .75 and so the average A is a B. The first “the” is usually not problematic; the second may be, if we were to think that, because there are 12 (n=3) As and the sum of their heights is 68 feet, the average A is 5’8” tall – as well as being a BIf we don’t count, we may say that As are typically Bs – and so that the typical A is a B. And so on through a variety of generalizations of various sorts that might be hypostatized (“archetypical,” “stereotypical”)Of course, none of the 12 may actually be 5’8” tall and even if one is, it need not be one of the Bs“The average A” is not an A but a generalization about the A group (the things taken together as that group). Putting it in almost any logical place as an object will give wrong results (see substitution on identity and particular generalization disproved above).


ni'o na spuda gi'e te preti fi lu ba'e mo li'u .i le preti cu claxu lo sarcu .i ku'i xekri jimpe
And suppose that C is colored a lot like D.  Then we might say successively that they are the same color, that the color of the one is the same as the color of the other and, supposing that they are both bluely colored, that the blue of one is like the blue of the other, that the color of each is blue, that each has blueness. And so onAgain, putting any of these in as an object will result in strange results. For one thing, most of the predicates that make sense for objects will not with these – and converselySo they are at least different kinds of things (most predicates that make sense of rats don’t of argon gas).  But they behave differently in other ways as well.


ni'o xekri spuda fi lu vu'e nai du doi li'u
Objects can be represented in more than one world; each has an ''object concept'' that maps each member of some subset of worlds onto a member of the domain of that world.  Groups don’t map, though they can be reconstructed in other world if the defining conditions for being taken together still apply to things there (but it may apply to different things, not the representatives of the members here).  Of course, averages and the like don’t carry over  -- there is surely a world in which the stats on As are very different from this one, in which the average A is not a B nor 5’8” tall.  And in such another world, C may be differently colored from D and neither bluely.


ni'o se ja'e tu'a zo doi suksa facki lo du'u ma kau se claxu .i cusku lu my. li'u ce'o .ii lu my. mo du dy. li'u ce'o .oicairo'e zoi zoi ba'e mmmmm zoi
Curiously, properties – blueness or blue, for example – do have concepts going with them.  Corresponding to each is a function from worlds to subsets of the argument worlds’ domains, the extension of the property in each world. Here we see sets being used as a convenient target for a function, when, of course, what is wanted is not really the set but the membersOne might better take the value for each world to be a function that assigns each object in the domain either a “yea” or a “nay” – the characteristic function of “is blue,” for example. This suggests that properties in this sense also deserve to be treated as individuals – or at least special cases – in a language.


ni'o lu ba'e mi li'u se lausku mi .i ca bo cikna binxo
But there is also a different sense of “property,” which is more clearly world-limited, not carried over from world to world. This notion takes (sticking with our example) the particular of blue of a particular object (on a particular occasion from a particular angle…) and generalizes on this to all these instances of blue, though exactly how this generalization works is unclear – or perhaps several notions lie behind this descriptionSome things said about this type sound like a set, others like a constitutive group, and other like a function from objects (with whatever conditions need be added) to hues.


ni'o coi tcidu mi'e ta'o la .djeimz. .u'u mi ba'o na'e sanji do  .i  so'e roi ku mi xendo zmadu  .i  ta'o nai lo nu cikna .ui .ii bu'onai zo'u mi smaji cusku fi mi fe lu do mo du mi doi xekri li'u gi'e cisma fi'o se gleki lo nu di'a se menli mi  .i  mi se pi'o le kanla .ui di'a viska  .i  se vanbi lo zasti dacti no'u lo mi kumfa .o'usai  .i  lo nu mi xlali senva lo simsa be la'e de'u cu cafne gi'e slabu gi'e ku'i za'o se terpa
Other notions in this area also seem to have several different types of things in mindKinds look sometimes like the constitutive group of all the whatses but at other like just the set and at yet others like the property (in one or another sense)Stuff is similarly obscure, although it most often seems to be the constitutive group of all the parts (down to some vaguely specified level, perhaps) of all the whatses – ladling out of the product of the universal grinder.
 
ni'o ky. vasru lo ckana noi na se cpana mi noi cpana le loldi ku'o ku'o .e lo jubme noi simlu lo ka pu'o zi fagri kei gi'e va'i se danmo  .i  mi sanli gi'e cortu lo xadni trixe  .i ca'o bo  le patfu cu kargau le vorme noi ta'o .ue ru'e ke'a ji'a se danmo  .i  lo ka se danmo cu preja lo'i mi se ponse tu'a lo ckana  .i  ta'o nai le patfu cu cusku lu do lausku spuda ma li'u  .i  py. na'e cinmo se voksa  .i  ri noroi pu xanka fi'o zgana mi  .i  lo du'u go'i cu nibli lo du'u py. cinmo tsali la'e lu ri'e nai li'u kei .a lo du'u cinmo no da mi  .i  mi terpa lo nu da'i facki lo se nibli
 
ni'o mi spuda fi lu .y. ba'e mi nanca li mu li'u to ja'a nanca  .i  cu'u so'e se slabu be mi mi mutce be fi tu'a lo mi se nanca be'o mencre  .i  la'a mi mencre zmadu do toi  .i  py. cu cusku zo je'e gi'e cliva .i zi bo le mamta cu nerkla gi'e punji lo sanmi le jubme gi'e cliva  .i  mi sutra jgari lo le sanmi ku palta se zu'e lo nu py. na'e cpana lo se danmo jubme  .i  .uu lo rirni cu na'e za'a sanji lo du'u danmo  .i  mi terpa nalzu'e lo nu djuno
 
ni'o ba za bo mi ckule klama  .i  mi na se pendo gi'e ku'i pendo te frati ca le so'a terjbe  .i  lo mi se pendo simlu cu dunda lo cakla .e lo sampu se kelci vu'o noi la'a krasi se dunda lo rirni  .i  .i'u .uicu'i cilre no cnino gi'e tavla mi po'o ba lo so'u re'u nu rinsa  .i  mi du'e .ienai roi pensi je nai tavla  .i  lo drata tadni ba lo nu facki la'e di'u cu troci sisti .uiru'e  .i  se'a ro'a mi ba'e ze'e pu je ca je ba na'e nitcu lo za'i kansa
 
ni'o citka no da vi lo ckule  .i  ri'a tu'a lo ckule cidja mi binxo co bilma lo za'i ru'i se cliva lo ciblu lo kanla to so'o da rinka toi  .i  mi nalmuvdu zutse fi'o kansa no ba'e .o'u da ze'u pi ro lo ve vimcu djedi  .i  lo nu cadzu se ka'a lo se xabju zo'u mi mutce xagji  .i  re lo kanla cu se cortu ri'a ma  .i  mi se vanbi lo dukse se gusni  .i  ca'e lo solri roroi jai crori'a fi ky. to lo cfipu cu na jai se curmi mi toi  .i  mi de'a jundi gi'e ku'i ca'o cadzu
 
ni'o za bo mi suksa facki lo du'u zvati lo stodi .oi  .i  lo drata ke prenu zvati be lo klaji cu ze'u canci  .i ca'o bo  mi za'o stodi zvati cadzu gi'e fengu binxo  .i  lo jamfu cu .ua.iicai se danmo  .i  mi bajra troci gi'e suksa zvati lo drudi noi se stuzi lo na se djuno  .i  mi farlu jibni gi'e ba zi bo muvdu sisti
 
ni'o lo se voksa be lo crori'a je senva bo slabu be'o noi za'a trixe mi cu cusku lo fange noi se'o palci gi'e xebni mi .e lo du'u mi zasti  .i  .ii lo danre cu cargau mi fo vy. gi'e co'a xrani  .i  vy. cusku lo fange be fi lo drata fi'o nilcladu lo zmadu
 
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ni'o mi ca'o farlu gi'e ku'i gau la xekri .i'ocai ro'oro'i cu masno binxo  .i xy. cusku fo .ue lo mi menli fe lu ko bredi .i la .siros. zmadu mi lo ka vlipa kei gi'e traji ckape do  .i  .a'o jmive doi li'u  .i  canci
 
ni'o .oi .uanai mi se menli lo se galfi be la .siros. ru'a  .i  lo ca'e vajrai ku fa'u so'a lo drata cu slabu fa'u cunso bo frica mi  .i  sa'e mu'a mi stodi lo ka djica ja djuno ma kau kei .enai lo ka jinvi ma kau lo no'e slabu  .i  ta'o ra'u nai lo prenu cu .o'u ru'e di'a zvati gi'e cadzu mo'i pa'o mi  .i  ja'o mi mucti
 
ni'o mi na djuno lo du'u mi ma kau zvati .a lo du'u dargu lo se xabju fo ma kau  .i  mi ta'e je di'i klama lo ckule lo zdani fi'o kansa no da soi vo'e vo'i  .i  ku'i mi se slabu lo go'i po'o ve klama
 
ni'o .o'a mi na jai se fanta lo nabmi  .i  mu'a mi puzu se xrani fo lo za'i pa lo tuple cu sepli mi kei fi'o se frati lo nu mi lebna lo tuple lo simsa be mi bei lo ka ma kau xadni se tarmi ce'u  .i  fu'i lo nu na djuno lo jai frili cu no'e nabmi  .i  ku'i sarcu fa lo nu pensi
 
ni'o mi sisku le cnino .o'onai menli lo da'i sidju  .i  my. cizra gi'e ju'o cu'i tolnei .ii mi  .i  ku'i my. na'e vlipa gi'e za slabu binxo  .i  do na'e se slabu mi gi'e se ni'i bo na jimpe lo du'u ma kau te frica noi fadni simlu fi so'e na'ebo mi  .i  lo cinri ja sidju zo'u ku'i mi facki lo du'u ka'e ganse lo menli be na'ebo mi fi'o jvinu lo se cinmo be lo nalralju pagbu be mi  .i  mi ze'a litru lo cunso gi'e ca'o bo viska lo menli noi na jarco fi mi fe lo du'u ma kau se pensi zi'e noi ku'i so'o ke'a melbi zmadu ro dacti se zgana be mi  .i  lo vanbi menli cu
 
sa  .i  .ue.u'e menli gi'e ba'e simsa mi  .i  mi noroi pu viska lo go'i  .i  mi kanla catlu lo go'e se menli noi se jvinu lo no'e makcu je fetsi  .i  se birka pa da fi'o ve xrani lo za'a puzu kanro binxo  .i  mi co'a mo'i fa'a cadzu
 
ni'o .ua mi tengau lo mi menli lo menli be lo bi'u nai se menli goi my.  .i  lo nu mucti pencu cu crori'a  .i ca bo  lo mi ka ganse lo dacti vanbi cu se cirko
 
ni'o my. poi mucti cu cikna binxo gi'e viska mi  .i  frati lo nu terpa gi'e co'a kucli lo du'u zvati ma kau
 
ni'o .oi lo prenu cu darxi my. gi'e minde fi lo nu muvdu  .i  mi co'u tengau to .oiro'e mi ze'i ganse tu'a my. toi gi'e menli pencu lo darxi noi .ueru'e jibni mi  .i  dy. mutce terpa gi'e morsi jibni  .i  mi gasnu lo za'i na ka'e terpa kei te zu'e je se gau lo nu lebna to ju'o nai na'e lebna cpacu toi fi'o simsa la .siros. lo si'o mi ma kau zvati .e lo si'o dargu le zdani fo ma kau  .i  dy. crori'a be mi se cfipu gi'e farlu gi'e se kansa mi lo nu cortu  .i  lo vanbi prenu ku ji'a terpa je se cfipu gi'e se mu'i bo mo'i to'o plipe  .i  se ri'a ru'a gi dy. binxo co sanji tu'a mi gi mi co'a dacti binxo  .i  lo prenu .iidai poi se zvati mi cu cortu cladu bo bacru  .i  mi catra dy. tu'a lo menli gi'e mucti ve denpa  .i  my. .o'e.auro'a jai se cirko
 
ni'o ta'o lo nu catra cu na'e .uacu'i te cinmo mi  .i  ju'o pu'o lo nu mi binxo kei mi cinmo  .i  ja'o mi nu'o ta'e zercatra cu'i
 
ni'o ta'o nai mi baza zvati le zdani  .i  mi ba lo nu pensi lo tadji cu mucti binxo vi lo vorme bu'u nai .a'i ru'e lo drata  .i  mi nerkla ti'u lo jibni be lo fadni fi'o ze'u se pensi my. gi'e na rinsa ja se rinsa le rirni

Revision as of 17:02, 4 November 2013

As the number suggests, this page is from way late in the program. It is presented now because parts of the topic are of current interest. It is not a final version, as it may need to be modified by intervening pages -- and discussion.

In logic, the variables stand for individuals, but logic makes no prescriptions about what sorts of things these individuals are. Ordinary languages similarly do not start by defining what an individuals is to be. However, we can – or at least linguists and philosophers have thought they could – extract from the way that users use the language what sorts of things they are talking about: objects, processes, individuals, kinds,... . In most languages, speakers talk of several kinds of things and the task is then to figure out which one(s) the language takes as basic and how talk about the others is derived from talk about these.

Following this (iffy, tenuous) process for Lojban gives something like the following result. The basic items to be talked about are objects: spatio-temporally continuous and delimited things. And, of course, first in order of usage are those of medium size (visible to the naked eye at earth bound ranges). Such objects have parts, which in turn have parts and so on down to subatomic particles and perhaps beyond. They also are parts of larger objects, which are also parts of still greater ones, reaching eventually to the universe (codimensional with space and time). All of the steps along this way are still objects, arrived at later in the developing use of language.

Beyond the simple mereological (part-whole) relations, language – but not logic – recognizes a special part-whole relation: constitutive, unified, or some such term. The difference between a person’s arm and a hydrogen atom in an amino acid molecule in that same person displays how this latter relation differs from simple part-whole. Part of the difference can be summed up in the claim that the careful observer can analyze what the whole does or is in terms of what the constitutive parts are or do. A private saluting involves (or just is) certain characteristic movements of the right arm and hand and fingers. That motion can, in turn, be analyzed into the contraction and expansion of certain muscle fibers, the rotation of various bones at various joints, and, perhaps, even the firing pattern of certain neurons (the level to which this sort of relation extends seems to be constantly expanding downward; I doubt the atom will ever be counted, though the amino acid molecule might).

The other characteristic of this relation is that it continues even with spatial separation. Joe’s arm is still Joe’s arm when lying on a table in the lab while Joe (the rest of him) is several floors above (transplant surgery has muddied this claim considerably: is Joe’s kidney still Joe’s when nestled by Jack’s spine and filtering blood flowing through Jack’s veins?). Atoms at least, and probably an array of higher parts of something, come and go without keeping their connection with that thing. Probably every breath we take contains an oxygen atom that was in Caesar’s last breath, but we contain no part of Caesar.

The constitutive relation goes upward from middle-sized objects as well as downward. But more interestingly, it extends by analogy from natural objects to intentional things, things that are created by “some objects being taken as going together” (we carefully avoid saying who does the taking and in what it consists). Let’s call these things groups, as a convenient term. Basically, the objects involved relate to their group by the membership relation (set-theoretic epsilon or its unsystematized origin), but – mereology and set theory resembling one another so much – a constitutive relation also arises (intransitive like both the mereological form and epsilon itself). That is, the members of a group play the same sort of role as the constitutive parts of an object. Spatial separation is a given here, the members are discrete from one another. But the doing and being of the group is (is analyzed into) the doings and beings of the members -- at least initially. As with parts and natural wholes, what the members do may be quite different from what the group does; yet the action of the whole would not exist without the actions of the members, which account for the group action.

Groups can be nonce, lasting only long enough to account for a single event (itself intentionally defined) or they may endure for a long time, spread out over a great area (with lots of spatial gaps, of course) and even undergo many changes of members while remaining “the same:” the Smith Family, New York Giants, General Motors, AF&AM Lodge 73, the neighborhood and so on. (In retrospect, we see this sort of constitutive relation explaining the problem case in the natural setting: the change is like adoption or picking up a contract: last years Tiger is this years Giant, Nero Ahenobarberus becomes Nero Claudius, Joe’s kidney is now Jack’s.)

Groups not considered constitutively, but simple under epsilon, have less explanatory value. They provide convenient targets for functions, when we would strain having somehow to express clearly how to go around and deal with every member separately. We can count the members of them. We can relate one of them to another: contained, containing, overlapping, or totally separate and count the overlaps if any.

At some point, groups come to be treated by a language as objects – syntactically at least, maybe even semantically and pragmatically. Still, anything that can be said by reference to a group can also be said by reference to the underlying objects alone – in theory; the practice is sometimes unresolvedly difficult. Of course, this becomes even more difficult when the “objects” involved include groups already. Some constitutive groups even come to have names as the examples above show, though the simple sets generally do not (unless you count “the set of all …” as a name). This change is important at least in logic because, even in the guise of objects, some moves that work with basic objects do not with groups – or at least not in the way expected from the results with basic objects.

This sort of problem becomes even more pronounced when a language hypostatizes (takes as an object) the results of other, more clearly explainable, mental processes, like generalization or abstraction or some combinations. If there are 4n As and 3n As that are also Bs then the probability that an A is a B is .75 and so the average A is a B. The first “the” is usually not problematic; the second may be, if we were to think that, because there are 12 (n=3) As and the sum of their heights is 68 feet, the average A is 5’8” tall – as well as being a B. If we don’t count, we may say that As are typically Bs – and so that the typical A is a B. And so on through a variety of generalizations of various sorts that might be hypostatized (“archetypical,” “stereotypical”). Of course, none of the 12 may actually be 5’8” tall and even if one is, it need not be one of the Bs. “The average A” is not an A but a generalization about the A group (the things taken together as that group). Putting it in almost any logical place as an object will give wrong results (see substitution on identity and particular generalization disproved above).

And suppose that C is colored a lot like D. Then we might say successively that they are the same color, that the color of the one is the same as the color of the other and, supposing that they are both bluely colored, that the blue of one is like the blue of the other, that the color of each is blue, that each has blueness. And so on. Again, putting any of these in as an object will result in strange results. For one thing, most of the predicates that make sense for objects will not with these – and conversely. So they are at least different kinds of things (most predicates that make sense of rats don’t of argon gas). But they behave differently in other ways as well.

Objects can be represented in more than one world; each has an object concept that maps each member of some subset of worlds onto a member of the domain of that world. Groups don’t map, though they can be reconstructed in other world if the defining conditions for being taken together still apply to things there (but it may apply to different things, not the representatives of the members here). Of course, averages and the like don’t carry over -- there is surely a world in which the stats on As are very different from this one, in which the average A is not a B nor 5’8” tall. And in such another world, C may be differently colored from D and neither bluely.

Curiously, properties – blueness or blue, for example – do have concepts going with them. Corresponding to each is a function from worlds to subsets of the argument worlds’ domains, the extension of the property in each world. Here we see sets being used as a convenient target for a function, when, of course, what is wanted is not really the set but the members. One might better take the value for each world to be a function that assigns each object in the domain either a “yea” or a “nay” – the characteristic function of “is blue,” for example. This suggests that properties in this sense also deserve to be treated as individuals – or at least special cases – in a language.

But there is also a different sense of “property,” which is more clearly world-limited, not carried over from world to world. This notion takes (sticking with our example) the particular of blue of a particular object (on a particular occasion from a particular angle…) and generalizes on this to all these instances of blue, though exactly how this generalization works is unclear – or perhaps several notions lie behind this description. Some things said about this type sound like a set, others like a constitutive group, and other like a function from objects (with whatever conditions need be added) to hues.

Other notions in this area also seem to have several different types of things in mind. Kinds look sometimes like the constitutive group of all the whatses but at other like just the set and at yet others like the property (in one or another sense). Stuff is similarly obscure, although it most often seems to be the constitutive group of all the parts (down to some vaguely specified level, perhaps) of all the whatses – ladling out of the product of the universal grinder.