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This list was defeating the purpose of the page, as everyone put their own pet cmavo on it. [[jbocre: currently proposed experimental cmavo|Currently proposed experimental cmavo]] still exists. --[[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]
Gottlob Frege (1848 - 1925) is one of the major founders of modern formal logic (symbolic logic, mathematical logic).  His ''Begriffschrift'' is the first complete system of modern logic, running all the way through set theory. Alas, Russell found a contradiction in it (the set of all sets not containing itself both does and does not contain itself). This led to a revision of the whole project of logic and eventually to separating set theory off.


It might be noted again that showing usage (even non-erroneous, correct and even occasionally useful usage) does not in itself indicate any worthwhileness of the cmavo.  Counting usage as a way to support proposed cmavo is manifestly assymetrical to the opposition, as there is no way to document '''negative''' usage (sort of like asking "How many books do you read each year?  And how many don't you read each year?"Some people who use a cmavo profusely and even correctly do not necessarily carry more weight than the undocumented cases of all the people who do not use itThis doesn't mean this page should not be here, it definitely should (usage must not be ignored either), but the motto "[[jbocre: let usage decide|let usage decide]]" must be taken with appropriate grains of salt, not to wash out the undocumentable non-usage which '''may''' be opposition''--mi'e [[User:Mark Shoulson|.mark.]]''
For Lojban, Frege's main contribution is the distinction between ''Sinn'' (sense, designation) and ''Bedeutung'' (reference, denotation). For a given predicate, the denotation is simply the set of all the things to which the predicate refers ("cow" refers to cows, say)The designation is that by which the reference takes place -- what it is about cows that make then the denotation of the word "cow." The same applies to names and sentences.  Frege held that e.g. properties were things with holes in them, to be filled by things to make propositionsThis led eventually to devises like the lambda calculus, that represented properties explicitly in this way.


* I agree, but this page got created because somebody was arguing that lack of usage is evidence of nonworthwhileness. Which is tosh. [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
Because "Hesperos is Phosphoros" is newsworthy (or was a couple thousand years ago) and "Hesperos is Hesperos" is not, Frege set out to examine the role of sense -- as opposed to reference -- in language and logic, thereby beginning the development of intentional logic, as well as being a leader of the normal, extentional form.  The main points that come up from this in Lojban (all of them already in Frege) are
** Hope you're not referring to me. --[[jbocre: Jay Kominek|Jay]]


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#In oblique contexts, the reference of a word is its normal sense.


==== Experimental cmavo used by multiple people ====
# Therefore, in oblique contexts a word may have a reference even if it does not in the non-oblique context or it may have a different reference.


* [[jbocre: sa'ei|sa'ei]] -- used in a side comment on [[jbocre: random sentence generator|random sentence generator]], and 3 times in Broken Phone, [[jbocre: round two|round two]]
# Consequently, names may not be moved from oblique to non-oblique context


* Has more than one person used [[jbocre: xa'o|xa'o]]?
# nor quantified over outside of context


* Am [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]] the only one who has used [[jbocre: xei|xei]]?
# nor may identicals be exchanged outside the context in which the identity is asserted.
** I'd say this has usage. I used it incidentally in some mailing list messages about hexadecimal. --[[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]


* [[jbocre: tai'i|tai'i]] and [[jbocre: ci'oi|ci'oi]] are used by multiple people who have a knowledge of Japanese language. -- guskant
Frege taught Carnap logic, Carnap taught Broadbeck,and Broadbeck taught James Cooke Brown.  Frege (and Carnap) were active in the constructed language movements at the end of the 19th century and between the world wars.


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==== Experimental cmavo used by one person and generally understood ====
 
* [[jbocre: mu'ei|mu'ei]] - used in [[jbocre: Flatland|Flatland]]. It has also been used by other people, but mostly in the context of discussing what word to use for "if".
 
* [[jbocre: xa'o|xa'o]]
** ''".i .uiru'e .a'ucu'i ku'i pe'i mi jinga ki'u le du'u xy. xa'o darlu"'' - said by [[User:xod|xod]] in [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8389
 
**] a few other uses by [[User:xod|xod]]
 
* [[jbocre: xo'a|xo'a]] --see [http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?JCB,] which is taken from the egroups list (at the time of the First Digger's '' co'a lenku margu'').
** .uanai.  "cool mercury"?? (See [[jbocre: LojbanSlang|LojbanSlang]].)
 
*** Also [[jbocre: ctatanru here|ctatanru here]].
 
* a'oe - [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]] [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8696 uggested] using an extra letter to clarify which sense of a'o was meant, and has used a'oe (event is hoped for and not asserted) [[Borrowing from Loglan here|Borrowing from Loglan here]], [[jbocre: if here|if here]], [[jbocre: foo here|foo here]], and on his homepage.
** ''oe'' isn't even a Lojban dipthong! (It would be confused with ''ue''.) How about ''a'oi''? --[[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]
 
*** I had been pronouncing it as three syllables, like ''a'o,e'' except that cmavo don't have commas in them. But I will now use a'o'e instead, and I will fix all my uses of it.
 
*  [[jbocre: goi'a|goi'a]] - on my homepage. [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]
** Given the understanding of ''goi'' now, should this be moved to Obsolete?
 
* [[jbocre: ba'oi|ba'oi]] - Used by [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]] in [[jbocre: Round Two|Round Two]] of the [[Broken Phone|Broken Phone]] game.
 
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==== cmavo with dubious usage ====
 
(If you encounter one of these cmavo in non-contrived usage and understand it, feel free to move it up.)
 
* [[jbocre: ki'ai|ki'ai]] - see comment [[jbocre: ju'e here|ju'e here]]. The usage has now become accurate.
** ...but it's still incomprehensible anyway. Why is that person randomly injecting the exclamation "Norjb!" into a discussion of the cmavo list?
 
** It seems the "correction" was to add the cmene ''norjb'' after the cmavo, on the strength of a complaint that as a COI word, ''ki'ai'' is invoking someone.  But there's nothing grammatically wrong with a COI with no "object"; people say ''coi'' all the time.  I've used ''ju'ido'u'' on occasion, for "Hey!"  The "object" is ellipsized.  I think the complaint is still more along the lines of "but what does it MEAN?"  ''--mi'e mark.''
*** Okay, so maybe it goes in dubious usage. I understood it as "Oh, ''norjb''" (as in norjbo) - similar to exclaiming 'Nonsense!' in English but specifying the kind of nonsense. Whoever is using it seems to find ju'e non-[[jbocre: lobykai|lobykai]], though they do not give a reason nor is one apparent, at least not to me. So maybe it should be moved to dubious usage. - mi'e. [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]] '''done'''

Latest revision as of 08:15, 30 June 2014

Gottlob Frege (1848 - 1925) is one of the major founders of modern formal logic (symbolic logic, mathematical logic). His Begriffschrift is the first complete system of modern logic, running all the way through set theory. Alas, Russell found a contradiction in it (the set of all sets not containing itself both does and does not contain itself). This led to a revision of the whole project of logic and eventually to separating set theory off.

For Lojban, Frege's main contribution is the distinction between Sinn (sense, designation) and Bedeutung (reference, denotation). For a given predicate, the denotation is simply the set of all the things to which the predicate refers ("cow" refers to cows, say). The designation is that by which the reference takes place -- what it is about cows that make then the denotation of the word "cow." The same applies to names and sentences. Frege held that e.g. properties were things with holes in them, to be filled by things to make propositions. This led eventually to devises like the lambda calculus, that represented properties explicitly in this way.

Because "Hesperos is Phosphoros" is newsworthy (or was a couple thousand years ago) and "Hesperos is Hesperos" is not, Frege set out to examine the role of sense -- as opposed to reference -- in language and logic, thereby beginning the development of intentional logic, as well as being a leader of the normal, extentional form. The main points that come up from this in Lojban (all of them already in Frege) are

  1. In oblique contexts, the reference of a word is its normal sense.
  1. Therefore, in oblique contexts a word may have a reference even if it does not in the non-oblique context or it may have a different reference.
  1. Consequently, names may not be moved from oblique to non-oblique context
  1. nor quantified over outside of context
  1. nor may identicals be exchanged outside the context in which the identity is asserted.

Frege taught Carnap logic, Carnap taught Broadbeck,and Broadbeck taught James Cooke Brown. Frege (and Carnap) were active in the constructed language movements at the end of the 19th century and between the world wars.

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