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== Proposed Definitions And Examples ==
== Literature ==


*author of fiction - te cfika
*Genres


===  da'o (DAhO) ===
** crime -
** fantasy - xanri cfika


==== Definition ====
** mystery -
** prose - prosa


This cancels standing pro-assigns. Signals a point beyond which all previously assigned pro-sumti and pro-bridi are no longer assigned.
** romance - prami cfika
** science fiction - saske cfika or sidbo cfika


==== Keywords ====
++ Depending on whether the consensus leans more toward saske being too specific, or sidbo being too broad.


* cancel pro- assignment
* novel - lisri prosa - lisro'a
 
* novella - cmalu lisro'a
==== Examples ====
 
''i le te cuxna cu se cmima ro le jivna e pa xanri jivna no'u la nonjinga zi'e poi sinxa lesi'o cuxna node i da'o curmi lenu da e de dunli xymoi lo porsi kei poi skicu ledu'u dunynei da de itu'e da'o go da poi cuxna cu djica lenu de poi jivna na jinga gi ei le cuxste po da skicu ledu'u da zmanei la nonjinga de'' <br />
 
The ballot contains all the candidates, plus a hypothetical candidate "Nobody". Voters are allowed to give equal ranks to candidates if they have no preference between them.
 
([http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Multiple-winner+Condorcet ultiple-winner Condorcet])
 
==== Issues ====
 
Out of a [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/e3651c40777130f7/fda44d7df1ebb4e7?lnk=gst&amp;q=pleasures+of+goi#fda44d7df1ebb4e7 iscussion] of {goi} it seems to be a popular notion to change the definition of da'o. The redefinition is detailed [http://www.lojban.org/tiki//tiki-index.php?page=goi%27a here]. In summary <br />
 
1) da'o is moved to selma'o UI. DAhO is almost UI anyway. <br />
 
2) The variable da'o is attached to has its assignment cleared. It is far more common to want to clear one assignment than to clear all of them. <br />
 
3) da'inai means this: the variable da'onai is attached to retains its assignment and all other variables are cleared. <br />
 
4) da'oda'o means that all variables have their assignments cleared.
 
{BOX}
 
 
=== ra'o (DAhO) ===
 
==== Definition ====
 
This flags a GOhA that all the pro-assignments in the current bridi should be re-evaluated in the speaker's current context.
 
==== Keywords ====
 
* pro-assigns update
 
==== Examples ====
 
A: ''mi xagji lo rectu gi'e taske lo ckafi'' <br />
 
B: ''.i .ie go'i ra'o je'u'' <br />
 
A: - I am hungry for meat and thirsty for coffee. <br />
 
B: - Yes, so am I, indeed. <br />
 
<br />
 
A: ''.i mi na birti lo su'u mi kakne lo nu mi xamgu ke fonxa cusku bau la lojban'' <br />
 
B: ''mi go'i'' <br />
 
B: ''ra'o'' <br />
 
A: I am not sure I am able to speak Lojban well on the phone. <br />
 
B: I am not sure either. <br />
 
B: ... that ''I'' will be able to speak Lojban well on the phone.
 
==== Issues ====
 
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/tree/browse_frm/month/2008-09/b49575848e6e6200?rnum=81&amp;_done=%2Fgroup%2Flojban%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2008-09%3F#doc_da79ad38cc507b68 hat does it mean when not used with go'i?]
 
{BOX}
 
 
===  soi (SOI) ===
 
==== Definition ====
 
This discursive indicates reciprocal relationship between sumti in this bridi. It corresponds to vice-versa in English. If followed by two sumti, it indicates that those two sumti may be swapped in the bridi and the bridi will remain true. If only followed by one sumti, the second sumti is inferred the be the sumti immediately before soi. Its ellidible terminator is {se'u}.
 
==== Keywords ====
 
* reciprocal
* vice-versa
 
===  Examples of ''soi'' Usage ===
 
''.i mi tavla do soi vo'a'' <br />
 
I talk to you, and vice versa. <br />
 
We talk to each other.
 
;''mi ze'u na'e tavla do soi vo'a'': We haven't talked to each other in a long time (vensa - IRC on 28 Jan 2010 11:25:30)
 
===  Issues ===
 
* Chapter *20*, of all places, in the CLL says that {mi prami do soi mi} is legal, but Chapter 7 doesn't really say that, quite.
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/4aa2c2846cfa0a09 hat the hell does this SOI mean?]
 
There has been discussion about whether soi changes the referral distance of vo'V. Not sure if it should go here though
 
* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg20920.html] - Xod: vo'a was usually intended as long-distance when alone, and usually short-distance when used with soi.
* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg20936.html] - Nick Nicholas: So vo'a *may* end in practice being defined as [[jbocre: ...|...]] short-distance when context favours that reading -- for instance, soi vo'a.
 
* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg20057.html] - And Rosta translates a Lojban sentence in a way that implies that he things vo'a is long-distance, regardless of soi.
* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg20880.html] - Nick Nicholas' position on vo'a: long-distance by default, can be forced short-distance in _syntactic_ contexts, ie. after soi.
 
{BOX}
 
==  Notes ==
 
There has been some discussion on how long da-series cmavo stay bound, ie. whether or not they are always canceled by sentence boundaries not joined by connectives. This, however, has no bearing on ''da'o'', which cancels unconditionally.
 
==  Impact ==
 
There is a proposal to change {da'o} documented here.

Latest revision as of 09:56, 30 April 2014

Literature

  • author of fiction - te cfika
  • Genres
    • crime -
    • fantasy - xanri cfika
    • mystery -
    • prose - prosa
    • romance - prami cfika
    • science fiction - saske cfika or sidbo cfika

++ Depending on whether the consensus leans more toward saske being too specific, or sidbo being too broad.

  • novel - lisri prosa - lisro'a
  • novella - cmalu lisro'a
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