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* [[BPFK Template: New cmavo Proposal]]


=== Checkpointed sections with a "New cmavo Proposals" part ===


Including:
These should be written up into formal proposals.


#The apostrophe is supplanted with ''h'', in cases of ambiguity, and eliminated, when not ambiguous with VV in grammatical Lojban. A downside to this scheme is firstly that /'/ is not only [[jbocre: h|h]] or an assimilated variety thereof, but also [[jbocre: T|T]] (th), and secondly that <h> may be required as an allograph of . A (never-used) solution might be to use <q> instead.
* [[BPFK Section: Nonce Connectives]]


#Deleting all apostrophes and respelling i and u in diphthongs with y and w. (This then makes h available as an allograph of x.) An objection to this is that the dual use of y (sometimes representing [[jbocre: @|@]] and sometimes [[jbocre: j|j]]) violates [[jbocre: audio-visual isomorphism|audio-visual isomorphism]].
=== Non-checkpointed sections with new cmavo proposals ===


#[[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] ''still'' likes the idea of permitting '''h''' as an allograph of '''''''.  It's easy to read and hard to miss or mistake.  Especially handy in manuscript.  This is distinct from [[jbocre: And Rosta|And Rosta]]'s orthographies, in that this is the ''only'' change advocated. ''Indeed, this is the only viable option is certain computer environments, for example, where ''''''' is not allowed.''
* [[BPFK Section: General Negators]]


** [[jbocre: Jay Kominek|Jay Kominek]] likes it too, thinks the ''''''' is silly, but mostly keeps it to himself, because it doesn't affect the way anything works.
=== Other currently-proposed experimental cmavo ===
** Or at least where use of ''''''' is horribly complicated, as ''''''' has a lot of meaning attached to it.


** [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]] prefers to pronounce ' as /T/, so he doesn't like using h. However, he wonders how one italicizes just an apostrophe on wiki...
* [[BPFK Section: Aspect]] contains a reference to [[xa'o|xa'o]]; it would be very strange to keep this reference without discussing whether or not this meaning and/or form should be added.
* The contents of [[Experimental cmavo|Experimental cmavo]], while rather haphazard, may be used a resource.


#la feliks. cu ba'e ca'o nelci lo tai go'o
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/3462868aaa97e791 xoi] is a suggested cmavo regarding frequency/numbering.
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/7ddd2e891bcdf27e xoi'a and xoi'e] are two proposed ZAhO to do with increases over time. One is linear, the other exponential.


{CODE(caption="mu'a la .alis.",wrap="1",ln="0",wiki="0",rtl="0]]Nihoniho pa moho
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/d67a31d055bdeb8c there is currently no 'opposite of inside' (outside)] as a tense in Lojban. I hereby propose we use '''te'i''' (came up with it from '''to'e ne'i''') to mean '''fi'o se bartu'''.
* There's a whole page of proposals including an [[Experimental anaphorics|afterthought prenex]] (postnex?) marker. 'Experimental Anaphorics'


Mohi niha lo ractu kevna
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/2d5a57839bf27984 mu'ei] is a probability/sixth-dimensional tense of selma'o ROI.
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/e6d7a1a38cec7152 xai] is referring to multiple previously mentioned sumti.


Niho la Alis coha tatpi lo nu zutse lo rirxe korbi reho lo mensi gihe zukte fi no da. I qabu cu sohu roi sutra zgana lo cukta poi my tcidu. I kuhi cy vasru no pixra ja nuncasnu. I «lu jiha ma prali —sei la Alis cu pensi— fi lo cukta, poi vasru no pixra ja nuncasnu lihu».
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/e172020312f34fd6/2637613cc0a0d78f#2637613cc0a0d78f da'oi proposal]


Niho qabu caho menli jdice (to se kai lo xagrai selkahe, poi se curmi lo glare donri, noi rinka lo nu qabu lifri lo nu sipydji je bebna toi) lo duhu xu kau lo nu pluka fa lo nu zbasu lo xrula linsi cu se vamji lo raktu, poi nu sahirbiho gihe crepu lo xrula. I ca bo suksa fa lo nu lo blabi ractu, poi xunblabi se kanla cu bajra zoha qabu.
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...{CODE}
 
|| | |en|lj|e.g.
 
1.|{h} ≡ {'}|The symbol {h} unconditionally replaces the apostrophe.|.ei zoi ly. h ly. cu basti lo .y'y.|cohe zohe duhu
 
2.|{q} ≡ {.}|The symbol {q} optionally replaces the dot.|.einai zoi ly. q ly. cu basti lo denpa bu|qai qei qia qoho quu
 
3.|{w} ≡ {,}|The symbol {w} unconditionally replaces the comma.|.ei zoi ly. w ly. cu basti lo slaka bu|la .mistr.maiwers.
 
4.|{á} ≡ {A}|The acute accent unconditionally replaces capital vowels for indicating non-standard emphasis.|.ei la .akut. cu basti lo tau bu tepi'o nu nalna'o basna|la .iván.
 
5.|{A} ≡ {.a}|All capital letters imply a {.} in front. In name words, the right {.} is elidable. By convention, {.} is preferred with the sentence separator, and {q} for occurrences of the pause or glottal stop within a sentence e.g. with attitudinals.|lo ro lerfu be tau bu cu vasru le denpa ca'u vo'a .i .e'a ne'i lo cmene le pritu denpa cu canci .i fi'o tcaci ko cuxna le denpa bu tepi'o nu bridi tersei gi'e cuxna ky.bu ne'i lo bridi mu'a sedi'o lo cnima'o|Niho la Mistr Maiwers cu cohe. Ije myq cohe.
 
6.|~123~~91~~40~,;:‒—¡!¿?«»~41~~93~~125~|Arbitrary punctuation marks except {.} may be used to enhance written text to ease readability for human eyes and are to be ignored by parsers. This means that they do not replace the respective structure words, only improve their visibility. Structure words still are written out.|.e'a cunso cuxna lo terpandi poi na du denpa bu tepi'o lo nu xagmaugau be lo tcidu kamka'e pe lo selci'a ga'a remna gi'e .ei na se jundi lo genturfa'i .i ti smuni le du'u le go'i na basti le srana cmavo gi'e po'o xagmaugau lo vo'a viska kamka'e .i .ei lo cmavo cu ca'o se ciska|«lu...lihu»; (to...toi); ~91~duhu...gehu~93~; zohe, poi; ¿cohe ma?||

Latest revision as of 06:40, 11 June 2015

Checkpointed sections with a "New cmavo Proposals" part

These should be written up into formal proposals.

Non-checkpointed sections with new cmavo proposals

Other currently-proposed experimental cmavo

  • BPFK Section: Aspect contains a reference to xa'o; it would be very strange to keep this reference without discussing whether or not this meaning and/or form should be added.
  • The contents of Experimental cmavo, while rather haphazard, may be used a resource.
  • xoi is a suggested cmavo regarding frequency/numbering.
  • xoi'a and xoi'e are two proposed ZAhO to do with increases over time. One is linear, the other exponential.
  • mu'ei is a probability/sixth-dimensional tense of selma'o ROI.
  • xai is referring to multiple previously mentioned sumti.
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