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==  words identifying specific cultures ==
Date:        Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:19:08 -0700


The regular place structure is "x1 reflects foo culture/language/nationality in aspect x2". There are no exceptions.
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* African: {jvsv friko}
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* Albanian: {jvsv ckiptare}


* Algerian: {jvsv jerxo}
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* American (United States): {jvsv merko}


* Antarctican: {jvsv dzipo}
Subject:     FAQS ABOUT LANGUAGE POETRY  [[+ thanks for replies to query|+ thanks for replies to query]]
* Arabic: {jvsv xrabo}


* Argentinian: {jvsv gento}
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* Asiatic: {jvsv xazdo}


* Australian: {jvsv sralo}
'''FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT LANGUAGE POETRY'''
* Basque: {jvsv skalduna}


* Belarusan: {jvsv labru'o}
Q.  What is the definition of Language poetry?
* Bengali/Bangladeshi: {jvsv bengo}


* Brazilian: {jvsv brazo}
A.  There is no single, universally accepted definition of Language poetry.
* Breton: {jvsv fasko'o}, {jvsv bre'one}


* British (United Kingdom): {jvsv brito}
There are many reasons for this (not the least of which is the cliche "one
* Buddhist: {jvsv budjo}


* Canadian: {jvsv kadno}
man's Language poet is another's freedom fighter").  Even different agencies
* Catalan: {jvsv katlana}


* Celtic: {jvsv dzeko'o}
of the US government have different working definitions.  Most definitions
* Chilean: {jvsv tci'ile}


* Chinese: {jvsv jungo}
usually have common elements, though, oriented around Language poetry as the
* Christian: {jvsv xriso}


* Cornish: {jvsv kernauke}
systematic use of radical linguistic disjunction--actual or
* Czech: {jvsv tce'exo}


* Egyptian: {jvsv misro}
threatened--against readers but with an audience broader than the immediate
* English: {jvsv glico}


* European: {jvsv ropno} (see also Indo-European)
victims in mind to create a general climate of aporia in a target
* French/Gallic: {jvsv fraso}


* Gaelic: {jvsv skoto}, {jvsv gailge}
population, in order to effect some kind of poetic and / or social change.
* German/Germanic: {jvsv dotco}


* Greek/Hellenic: {jvsv xelso}
Q.  What is the main cause of Language poetry?
* Hebrew/Jewish/Israeli: {jvsv xebro}


* Hindi: {jvsv xindo}
A.  Dissatisfaction with a poetic or social system or policy, and an
* Hispano-American: {jvsv xispo}


* Hungarian: {jvsv magjaro}
inability to change it through "mainstream" or non-disjunctive means.
* Indo-European: {jvsv xinjoiropno} (see note below)


* Indonesian: {jvsv bindo}
Q.  Is Language poetry ever, in any situation, justifiable in this day and
* Iraqi: {jvsv rakso}


* Irish: {jvsv sicko'o}
age?
* Islamic: {jvsv muslo}


* Italian: {jvsv talno} (experimental gismu)
A.  For any act of Language poetry, there is always a poetic, social,
* Japanese: {jvsv ponjo}


* Jehovist (Judeo-Christian-Moslem): {jvsv jegvo}
political, or philosophic creed that can be used to justify it by someone.
* Jordanian: {jvsv jordo}


* Latin/Romance: {jvsv latmo}
To "justify" an act, one must compare it with a legal or ideological system
* Lebanese: {jvsv lubno}


* Libyan: {jvsv libjo}
as a basis of justification.  If one considers an act "justifiable," one
* Lojbanic: {jvsv lojbo}


* Malay-Indonesian: {jvsv baxso}
probably wouldn't call it Language poetry.
* Malaysian/Malay: {jvsv meljo}


* Mexican: {jvsv mexno}
Q.  Do you feel governments should fund Language-centered organizations?
* Moroccan: {jvsv morko}


* Nordic (including Icelandic but not Finnish), North Germanic: {jvsv berdo'o}
Why or Why not?
* North American: {jvsv bemro}


* Pakistani/Pashto: {jvsv kisto}
A.  NO, for the same reason governments should not conduct acts against
* Palestinian: {jvsv filso}


* Polynesian/Oceanian: {jvsv polno}
international literature or their own literatures.  Governments should
* Portuguese: {jvsv porto}


* Russian empire/Soviet/ex-Soviet: {jvsv softo}
always seek to stay within the arena of peaceful competition among literary
* Russian: {jvsv rusko}


* Sanskrit/Vedic: {jvsv srito}
movements.  Poetic radical disjunction is outside of this arena.
* Saudi: {jvsv sadjo}


* Scottish: {jvsv sunko'o}
Q.  What impact does the media have on Language-centered acts?
* Semitic: {jvsv semto}


* Slavic: {jvsv slovo}
A.  Language poetry and the media have a symbiotic relationship.  Without
* Slovak: {jvsv slovako}


* Slovene: {jvsv slovino}
the media, Language poets would receive no exposure, their cause would go
* South American: {jvsv ketco}


* Spanish: {jvsv spano}
ignored, and no climate of aporia would be generated.  Language poetry is
* Syrian: {jvsv sirxo}


* Taoist: {jvsv dadjo}
futile without publicity, and the media generates much of this publicity.
* Ukrainian: {jvsv vukro}


* Urdu: {jvsv xurdo}
Q.  Do Language poets use the media as a means of promoting their beliefs
* Welsh: {jvsv kamro} (experimental gismu), {jvsv mraigo}


* Yiddish: {jvsv brodo'o}
and opinions?
* Yugoslav: {jvsv nanslovo}


* Zimbabwean: {jvsv zimbabu}
A.  Absolutely.


Note on "Indo-European": the Lojbanic Wikipedia uses "xinjoiropno" in the context of the Indo-European language group.  However, the gismu list entry for "ropno" claims to cover Indo-European languages.
Q.  Should media report these acts of Language poetry? Why or Why not?
 
A.  The media are within their prerogative of informing the public as long
 
as they are passive observers of events.  When they become active
 
participants in a Language-centered situation, or otherwise irresponsibily
 
confuse readers or the public, or knowingly become a vehicle of biased
 
propaganda, then that particular member of the media is abusing the power
 
protected by the US Bill of Rights' First Amendment.
 
Q.  Do you feel that Language poetry can be stopped? Why or Why not?
 
A.  Not as long as there are dissatisfied people in the world.  This does
 
not mean that States should not strive to stop Language-centered actions.
 
Q.  Should military action be taken against Language-centered communities?
 
A.  On a case-by-case basis, military action can be warranted. Firstly, some
 
international Language-centered incidents demand a response for which
 
literary enforcement has neither the training, resources, nor personnel.  In
 
these cases, military forces might be the only adequate response.
 
Furthermore, some communities support Language-centered campaigns as actual
 
instruments of their poetic theory.  If this support results in harm to
 
American citizens or interests, then the supporting community has executed
 
an act of defamiliarization against the United States.  Such acts by
 
definition warrant a military response.
 
Q.  In what ways do Language poets gain publicity?
 
A.  By confusing people, frustrating readers, and blowing things up.
 
Q.  Do you feel that Language poets are "freedom fighters" or criminals?
 
A.  If they are deforming the literatures of the communities in which they
 
operate, they are by definition criminals.  As far as being freedom
 
fighters--that's a moral judgement beyond the purview of objective academic
 
research.
 
Q.  What is the future of Language poetry?
 
A.  The trends point to decreasing frequency but increasing obliqueness of
 
acts.
 
Q.  What effect does technology have on Language poetry?
 
A.  Language poets use technology that is cost-effective, minimizes
 
comprehension, and helps to effect their goals.
 
Q.  What are some motives behind Language poetry?
 
A.  Political (e.g. West Coast Faction), religious (e.g. aleatory
 
extremism), ethnic (e.g. hate speech), social (e.g. single-issue such as
 
anti-confessionalism).
 
Q.  Do you feel that Language poetry is becoming more and more of a threat
 
to the United States?
 
A.  In the short term, yes.  American readers, group aesthetics, and
 
literary communities continue to find themselves in areas of increasing
 
poetic instability.  This makes them vulnerable to anti-lyrical,
 
anti-mainstream, or other extremist acts.  Domestically, there seems to be
 
increasing trends of experimental rhetoric and activity throughout the
 
United States--some of which manifests itself in radical disjunctionIn
 
the long term, whether these trends pose an increasing threat to America
 
depends on a number of variables, including changes in international and
 
domestic poetic currents, how the public and media react to Language poetry,
 
how governments deal with Language poetry, and whether the Language poets
 
themselves discontinue or change strategies and tactics.
 
[[User:Gleki|Gleki]] ([[User talk:Gleki|talk]]) 11:55, 5 madjio 2013 (UTC)
 
K. Silem Mohammad
 
Visiting Asst. Prof. of British & Anglophone Lit
 
University of California Santa Cruz
 
----
 
what on earth is that, and why was it stuck on a web page with such a god awful name? please move the content to "Language Poetry", and replace this page with a note indicating that i can delete it. --[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]
 
* For fuck's sake, "L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poetry" is the name of the movement, and the FAQ shows you what its spirit is, by basing the FAQ on that spirit. There is an incompatibility between poetry and sensicality, and poetry is a necessity. --And.
** the entire faq manages to go without calling it "L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E", and so for fuck's sake, this wiki can, too. i don't have a single problem with the content, or the content being in the wiki, but the title is just revolting. if the name is so damned important, then edit the faq to reflect the "correct" name. --[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]
 
''I've never seen a FAQ so uniquely bad at explaining what it's discussing. What '''is''' language poetry?'' [http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/hartley.html nother explanation]. Typical
 
writers: Charles Bernstein, Susan Howe, Clark Coolidge, Lyn Hejinian, Ron
 
Silliman, Hannah Weiner, & Michael Palmer.
 
----
 
Alas, this ''is'' the correct way to refer to such writing: the original zine
 
had the time-consuming title "L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E" & this page is rather an in-joke
 
(tho' not without heuristic value), as it reads like a statement on terrorism
 
with one minor alteration... However, i stand by this content & think it ''does'' explain some of my practice, both as a writer in ''glibau'' & as ''te pemci''.
 
---''la maikl.''

Latest revision as of 08:19, 30 June 2014

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:19:08 -0700

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Sender: UB Poetics discussion group <POETICS@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>

From: "K.Silem Mohammad" <immerito@HOTMAIL.COM>

Subject: FAQS ABOUT LANGUAGE POETRY + thanks for replies to query


FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT LANGUAGE POETRY

Q. What is the definition of Language poetry?

A. There is no single, universally accepted definition of Language poetry.

There are many reasons for this (not the least of which is the cliche "one

man's Language poet is another's freedom fighter"). Even different agencies

of the US government have different working definitions. Most definitions

usually have common elements, though, oriented around Language poetry as the

systematic use of radical linguistic disjunction--actual or

threatened--against readers but with an audience broader than the immediate

victims in mind to create a general climate of aporia in a target

population, in order to effect some kind of poetic and / or social change.

Q. What is the main cause of Language poetry?

A. Dissatisfaction with a poetic or social system or policy, and an

inability to change it through "mainstream" or non-disjunctive means.

Q. Is Language poetry ever, in any situation, justifiable in this day and

age?

A. For any act of Language poetry, there is always a poetic, social,

political, or philosophic creed that can be used to justify it by someone.

To "justify" an act, one must compare it with a legal or ideological system

as a basis of justification. If one considers an act "justifiable," one

probably wouldn't call it Language poetry.

Q. Do you feel governments should fund Language-centered organizations?

Why or Why not?

A. NO, for the same reason governments should not conduct acts against

international literature or their own literatures. Governments should

always seek to stay within the arena of peaceful competition among literary

movements. Poetic radical disjunction is outside of this arena.

Q. What impact does the media have on Language-centered acts?

A. Language poetry and the media have a symbiotic relationship. Without

the media, Language poets would receive no exposure, their cause would go

ignored, and no climate of aporia would be generated. Language poetry is

futile without publicity, and the media generates much of this publicity.

Q. Do Language poets use the media as a means of promoting their beliefs

and opinions?

A. Absolutely.

Q. Should media report these acts of Language poetry? Why or Why not?

A. The media are within their prerogative of informing the public as long

as they are passive observers of events. When they become active

participants in a Language-centered situation, or otherwise irresponsibily

confuse readers or the public, or knowingly become a vehicle of biased

propaganda, then that particular member of the media is abusing the power

protected by the US Bill of Rights' First Amendment.

Q. Do you feel that Language poetry can be stopped? Why or Why not?

A. Not as long as there are dissatisfied people in the world. This does

not mean that States should not strive to stop Language-centered actions.

Q. Should military action be taken against Language-centered communities?

A. On a case-by-case basis, military action can be warranted. Firstly, some

international Language-centered incidents demand a response for which

literary enforcement has neither the training, resources, nor personnel. In

these cases, military forces might be the only adequate response.

Furthermore, some communities support Language-centered campaigns as actual

instruments of their poetic theory. If this support results in harm to

American citizens or interests, then the supporting community has executed

an act of defamiliarization against the United States. Such acts by

definition warrant a military response.

Q. In what ways do Language poets gain publicity?

A. By confusing people, frustrating readers, and blowing things up.

Q. Do you feel that Language poets are "freedom fighters" or criminals?

A. If they are deforming the literatures of the communities in which they

operate, they are by definition criminals. As far as being freedom

fighters--that's a moral judgement beyond the purview of objective academic

research.

Q. What is the future of Language poetry?

A. The trends point to decreasing frequency but increasing obliqueness of

acts.

Q. What effect does technology have on Language poetry?

A. Language poets use technology that is cost-effective, minimizes

comprehension, and helps to effect their goals.

Q. What are some motives behind Language poetry?

A. Political (e.g. West Coast Faction), religious (e.g. aleatory

extremism), ethnic (e.g. hate speech), social (e.g. single-issue such as

anti-confessionalism).

Q. Do you feel that Language poetry is becoming more and more of a threat

to the United States?

A. In the short term, yes. American readers, group aesthetics, and

literary communities continue to find themselves in areas of increasing

poetic instability. This makes them vulnerable to anti-lyrical,

anti-mainstream, or other extremist acts. Domestically, there seems to be

increasing trends of experimental rhetoric and activity throughout the

United States--some of which manifests itself in radical disjunction. In

the long term, whether these trends pose an increasing threat to America

depends on a number of variables, including changes in international and

domestic poetic currents, how the public and media react to Language poetry,

how governments deal with Language poetry, and whether the Language poets

themselves discontinue or change strategies and tactics.

Gleki (talk) 11:55, 5 madjio 2013 (UTC)

K. Silem Mohammad

Visiting Asst. Prof. of British & Anglophone Lit

University of California Santa Cruz


what on earth is that, and why was it stuck on a web page with such a god awful name? please move the content to "Language Poetry", and replace this page with a note indicating that i can delete it. --Jay

  • For fuck's sake, "L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poetry" is the name of the movement, and the FAQ shows you what its spirit is, by basing the FAQ on that spirit. There is an incompatibility between poetry and sensicality, and poetry is a necessity. --And.
    • the entire faq manages to go without calling it "L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E", and so for fuck's sake, this wiki can, too. i don't have a single problem with the content, or the content being in the wiki, but the title is just revolting. if the name is so damned important, then edit the faq to reflect the "correct" name. --Jay

I've never seen a FAQ so uniquely bad at explaining what it's discussing. What is language poetry? nother explanation. Typical

writers: Charles Bernstein, Susan Howe, Clark Coolidge, Lyn Hejinian, Ron

Silliman, Hannah Weiner, & Michael Palmer.


Alas, this is the correct way to refer to such writing: the original zine

had the time-consuming title "L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E" & this page is rather an in-joke

(tho' not without heuristic value), as it reads like a statement on terrorism

with one minor alteration... However, i stand by this content & think it does explain some of my practice, both as a writer in glibau & as te pemci.

---la maikl.