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1) mi xerdji lenu mi pu zmadu fi leka prami do
lai .iankis. jinga .i lai .yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy .iankis. jinga


2) mi xenru lenu mi na pu zmadu fi leka prami do
''Sorry, that's ''those called .iankis.'' and none of them are the Yankees, they are all just one Yankee individually - try ''lai .iank. jinga


Okay, maybe this works - but how express things like e.g. those beginning with:
I'm not sure you're right about how ''lai'' works; I have to think about it some more.  But even if you're right, you're still wrong.  After all, they aren't called "Yank" either.  By your analysis, each is called a "Yankee."  Which would be ''.ianki''.  But Lojban cmene can't end in vowels, so you have to change it to end in a consonant.  There are (at least) two ways of doing that: remove the final vowel(s), or tack on an extra consonant -- any consonant.  Which you do is a matter of personal choice.  You might argue that one way is perhaps more appropriate than the other, but you can't say that someone is wrong for chosing to cmenify ''.ianki'' as ''.iankis''.  Back to your analysis of ''lai'' for a minute, though, what about the Heat or the Jazz, which have no individual term for the players (hmm... is a member of the Heat a Calorie?)  I would think ''lai X'' would be appropriate for a mass with a name (in fact, isn't that exactly what it means?)  ''--mi'e [[User:Mark Shoulson|.mark.]]''


'''Had I...  Couldn't it have happened that...  Wouldn't it have been nice, if... etc.'''
* No, it isn't.  A named mass uses ''la'', not ''lai'':  ''lai'' is appropriate for masses whose components share a name, as in ''lai djonz.'' = "the Joneses".
 
I'm still searching for something like a possible/impossible (=non-real) world indicator in Lojban - will this be invain?
 
I just discovered it recently: And's experimental [[jbocre: mu'ei|mu'ei]].
 
"Wouldn't it have been nice if (broda)" could be ''pei xamgu so'imu'ei lenu broda'', or if you actually mean to ask whether it would have been nice, ''xamgu xomu'ei lenu broda''.
 
Since this is "experimental" and not "baseline", the sad truth infact seems to be that there isn't any appropriate dealing with subjunctive stuff in standard language. Yet, at a first glance, I seem to like And's approach. (It goes about the line proposed in Loglan and seems pretty Lojbanic.) It's a pity being forced to do it outside of orthodox cmavo shape (there are way too many moreorless useless other ones), but, anyway, I like it's deriving from {munje}.
 
Anyway, I'd like to gather ideas how to express that subjunctive stuff in standard language (since I just can remember only one of your earlier proposals which was about {.ei mi pu broda} for "I should have..." and was regarded pretty controversially (what is also the way I see it).
 
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''.u'anaicai le jinga na jinga''

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lai .iankis. jinga .i lai .yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy .iankis. jinga

Sorry, that's those called .iankis. and none of them are the Yankees, they are all just one Yankee individually - try lai .iank. jinga

I'm not sure you're right about how lai works; I have to think about it some more. But even if you're right, you're still wrong. After all, they aren't called "Yank" either. By your analysis, each is called a "Yankee." Which would be .ianki. But Lojban cmene can't end in vowels, so you have to change it to end in a consonant. There are (at least) two ways of doing that: remove the final vowel(s), or tack on an extra consonant -- any consonant. Which you do is a matter of personal choice. You might argue that one way is perhaps more appropriate than the other, but you can't say that someone is wrong for chosing to cmenify .ianki as .iankis. Back to your analysis of lai for a minute, though, what about the Heat or the Jazz, which have no individual term for the players (hmm... is a member of the Heat a Calorie?) I would think lai X would be appropriate for a mass with a name (in fact, isn't that exactly what it means?) --mi'e .mark.

  • No, it isn't. A named mass uses la, not lai: lai is appropriate for masses whose components share a name, as in lai djonz. = "the Joneses".
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