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== terminology ==
Proposed by [[jbocre: Gerald Koenig|Gerald Koenig]]:


*Domain - "???"
*http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9411/msg00186.html (actual cmavo settled on in http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9411/msg00254.html)
*Kingdom - baljutsi
*Also on thread starting with http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9412/msg00296.html
 
*Phylum - xadytaijutsi
*Class - klejutsi
 
*Order - grijutsi
** Because it's the only gismu left :-) (But yes, Group is also used, so I won't insist on it. Is there any actual biological determinant of what constitutes an order?)
 
*Family - lazyjutsi
*Genus - jijyjutsi
 
**Intuitive class, because genus is the level at which most people discriminate most animals.
*Species - frejutsi
 
==== taxa ====
 
* fadjurme - eubacteria (true bacteria)
* dzejurme - archaea
 
* ? - eukaryotes (cells with nucleii)
** ? - opisthokonts
 
***[[jbocre: danlu baljutsi|danlu baljutsi]] - animals (Metazoa)
***[[jbocre: mledi baljutsi|mledi baljutsi]] - fungi
 
**[[jbocre: spati baljutsi|spati baljutsi]] - green plants (''ri'ospa'')
**[[jbocre: xunspa baljutsi|xunspa baljutsi]] - red algae (Rhodophyta)
 
**jurmrprotista (not a cladistic term)
*[[jbocre: vidru|vidru]] - viruses
 
==== other comments ====
 
Forgive my needless technical accuracy, but I'm fascinated by the upper levels of the tree of life. Eubacteria are bacteria. Archaea (formerly called archaebacteria) were once thought to be bacteria, but in the last few decades have been discovered to be genetically unrelated. Some archaea specialize in extreme environments like volcanic hot springs or hypersaline (very salty) waters, but others share environments with ordinary eubacteria. The opisthokonts are the parent group of both animals and fungi--I don't think we're likely to need a Lojban name for them, but I stuck them in because it's cool that ''danlu'' and ''mledi'' are cousins, and ''ri'ospa'' are outsiders. Several other groups could be added at the same level as ''rio'spa'' and ''xunspa'', most importantly the chromists (aka stramenopiles), which include diatoms, kelp, and mildew (which is not a fungus). [http://phylogeny.arizona.edu/ ree of Life] is a rich source of taxonomic info if you can stand the jargon. ''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]''
 
[[jbocre: Oog|Oog]]. Whoever made this, would side-by-side English translations be feasible to add? (And you might want to consider splitting the kingdoms, at least, up onto different pages to keep down the nesting. --[[jbocre: Jay Kominek|Jay]]
 
I've bolded the gismu in the foregoing. For those of us that want to use Type 3 fu'ivla (thank you very much), this is as good a place as any to see which animals are covered by which gismu. Someone (maybe me) will insert the remaining gismu (for example, is a xanto a proboscid, or only the superordinate of the Indian and African elephant, and excluding the mammoth? Where does smani fit within primates, if at all?) And oh: English '''and''' Latin, please, because taxonomies do tend to be fluid, and its easier to do web searches if you know what the unambiguous Linnaean spelling is. And another plea for sanity: since some animals will be further broken down by suborders and superclasses (I think that's how you'll get monkeys in), indicate the current taxon at each level with some abbreviation or other, and don't hold back on ''using'' those suborders and superclasses. -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]].
 
The term "monkey" in English includes no prosimians or tarsiers, all platyrrhines, and all catarrhines except the families Hylobatidae, Pongidae, and Hominidae. The term "ape" includes Hylobatidae, Pongidae, and in some people's opinion Hominidae, Both of these seem quite arbitrary, and I see no reason why the term "smani" should have the same meaning as either. --phma


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Just one example of how complicated precise taxonomy can be with regard to poetry translation: [[jbocre: poetico-botanical problems|poetico-botanical problems]] (a question raised by my Russian net friend Boris Mescheryakov.) -- .aulun.
Referred to in discussions as ''xa'a pe la djer.'', to distinguish it from the cmavo proposed by [[User:xorxes|Jorge Llambias]] and [[jbocre: And Rosta|And Rosta]] and unfortunately also named ''xa'a''. The latter subsequently got renamed [[jbocre: xo'u|xo'u]].
 
english language information on various critters, organized taxonomically: http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/

Revision as of 17:20, 4 November 2013

Proposed by Gerald Koenig:


Referred to in discussions as xa'a pe la djer., to distinguish it from the cmavo proposed by Jorge Llambias and And Rosta and unfortunately also named xa'a. The latter subsequently got renamed xo'u.