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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Lojban's insistence on self-segmenting morphophonology entails a few places in which pauses are mandatory. The pauses <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>may<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </del>be written with a period (see [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">denpa bu|</del>denpa bu]]), but the writing of the period is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>not<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </del>mandatory, even when the pause is. Note that pause does not equal glottal stop: a glottal stop is considered an instance of pause, but not all pauses have glottal stops.</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Before all cmene <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>unless<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </del>preceded by ''la/lai/doi'' (a particular instance would be after COI words)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># After all words ending in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''-y<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' (lerfu words) <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><u></ins>unless<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></u> </ins>followed by another lerfu word (also ending in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''-y<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''). (note that this combines with the first rule to require <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''.y.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''.y'y.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' to have pauses on both sides... unless followed by a lerfu word, I suppose.)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># After all words ending in ''-y'' (lerfu words) <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>unless<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </del>followed by another lerfu word (also ending in ''-y''). (note that this combines with the first rule to require ''.y.'' and ''.y'y.'' to have pauses on both sides... unless followed by a lerfu word, I suppose.)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># After <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><u></ins>stressed<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></u> </ins>cmavo, when followed by a brivla. (stress in cmavo is normally free, but cmavo in front of brivla are not to be stressed, unless there is a pause, or else we can't divide the words right)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">#***</ins>By "required", do you mean "needed in all situations" or "required by rule"? If the former, then item 4 on lerfu words is not necessarily true (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>cy<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>at the beginning of utterance or with enough cmavo around it should be fine). If the latter, then the subcomment under 6 about LEselDENpa is out of order since the rule says pause is necessary anyway. -- ''mi'e [[Nora LeChevalier|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">noras</ins>.]]''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*</del>* The pause is not required when the brivla begins with a stressed syllable. If it is longer, it may be. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>LEselDENpa<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">} </del>doesn't need a pause but <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>LE.kraTAIgo<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">} </del>does.</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<p>Gleki moved page <a href="/index.php?title=jbocre:_When_are_pauses_mandatory&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="jbocre: When are pauses mandatory (page does not exist)">jbocre: When are pauses mandatory</a> to <a href="/papri/When_are_pauses_mandatory" class="mw-redirect" title="When are pauses mandatory">When are pauses mandatory</a> without leaving a redirect: Text replace - "jbocre: ([A-Z])" to "$1"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>By "required", do you mean "needed in all situations" or "required by rule"? If the former, then item 4 on lerfu words is not necessarily true (cy at the beginning of utterance or with enough cmavo around it should be fine). If the latter, then the subcomment under 6 about LEselDENpa is out of order since the rule says pause is necessary anyway. -- ''mi'e [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>Nora LeChevalier oras.|Nora LeChevalier oras.]]''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>By "required", do you mean "needed in all situations" or "required by rule"? If the former, then item 4 on lerfu words is not necessarily true (cy at the beginning of utterance or with enough cmavo around it should be fine). If the latter, then the subcomment under 6 about LEselDENpa is out of order since the rule says pause is necessary anyway. -- ''mi'e [[Nora LeChevalier oras.|Nora LeChevalier oras.]]''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Please use this table to list the expressions and translations you used, maybe comment </del>on <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">where you used it</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">If you had a discussion on translating </del>a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">particluar expressions</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">you can also give a source in case it</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">s available to </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">public</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lojban's insistence </ins>on <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">self-segmenting morphophonology entails a few places in which pauses are mandatory</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> The pauses ''may'' be written with </ins>a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">period (see [[jbocre: denpa bu|denpa bu]])</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">but the writing of the period is ''not'</ins>' <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mandatory, even when </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pause is. Note that pause does not equal glottal stop: a glottal stop is considered an instance of pause, but not all pauses have glottal stops</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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