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Gleki at 08:13, 1 September 2015
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: ([A-K])" to "$1"
2014-03-23T15:41:35Z
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: ([L-Z])" to "$1"
2014-03-23T14:46:53Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** The trouble with ''gumri'' is that it purports to specify a kind of fungus by its shape, but mushrooms come in many shapes (the prototypical shape being an ''Agaricus'', I suppose). Puffballs in their edible state, e.g., are spherical.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** The trouble with ''gumri'' is that it purports to specify a kind of fungus by its shape, but mushrooms come in many shapes (the prototypical shape being an ''Agaricus'', I suppose). Puffballs in their edible state, e.g., are spherical.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** Arbitrarily limiting a lujvo to what seems to be useful seems to me incredibly [[malglico|malglico]]. Ideally, the point of lujvo is to pick one [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>gismu deep structure|gismu deep structure]] and make that what the lujvo means (in which case ''ledgrute'' means ''grute lo mledi'' and includes non-mushrooms).</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** Arbitrarily limiting a lujvo to what seems to be useful seems to me incredibly [[malglico|malglico]]. Ideally, the point of lujvo is to pick one [[gismu deep structure|gismu deep structure]] and make that what the lujvo means (in which case ''ledgrute'' means ''grute lo mledi'' and includes non-mushrooms).</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** It has the risk of being malglico, but it's not intrinsically so. In fact, usefulness is the only sane criterion for picking a gismu deep structure out of the candidates in the first place.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** It has the risk of being malglico, but it's not intrinsically so. In fact, usefulness is the only sane criterion for picking a gismu deep structure out of the candidates in the first place.</div></td></tr>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: m" to "m"
2014-03-23T12:15:51Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: m" to "m"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** The trouble with ''gumri'' is that it purports to specify a kind of fungus by its shape, but mushrooms come in many shapes (the prototypical shape being an ''Agaricus'', I suppose). Puffballs in their edible state, e.g., are spherical.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** The trouble with ''gumri'' is that it purports to specify a kind of fungus by its shape, but mushrooms come in many shapes (the prototypical shape being an ''Agaricus'', I suppose). Puffballs in their edible state, e.g., are spherical.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** Arbitrarily limiting a lujvo to what seems to be useful seems to me incredibly [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>malglico|malglico]]. Ideally, the point of lujvo is to pick one [[jbocre: gismu deep structure|gismu deep structure]] and make that what the lujvo means (in which case ''ledgrute'' means ''grute lo mledi'' and includes non-mushrooms).</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** Arbitrarily limiting a lujvo to what seems to be useful seems to me incredibly [[malglico|malglico]]. Ideally, the point of lujvo is to pick one [[jbocre: gismu deep structure|gismu deep structure]] and make that what the lujvo means (in which case ''ledgrute'' means ''grute lo mledi'' and includes non-mushrooms).</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** It has the risk of being malglico, but it's not intrinsically so. In fact, usefulness is the only sane criterion for picking a gismu deep structure out of the candidates in the first place.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** It has the risk of being malglico, but it's not intrinsically so. In fact, usefulness is the only sane criterion for picking a gismu deep structure out of the candidates in the first place.</div></td></tr>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: p" to "p"
2014-03-23T12:06:05Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: p" to "p"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** If x2 (or x1; it isn't totally clear; this is part of why we have Lojban) isn't necessarily alive, how can x1, by definition, be a parasite? Or is this just for metaphorical usage? --[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** If x2 (or x1; it isn't totally clear; this is part of why we have Lojban) isn't necessarily alive, how can x1, by definition, be a parasite? Or is this just for metaphorical usage? --[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''pilda''' pale: x1 is pale (This one has actually been used in a [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>poem|poem]], see [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jbosnu/message/219])</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''pilda''' pale: x1 is pale (This one has actually been used in a [[poem|poem]], see [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jbosnu/message/219])</div></td></tr>
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Gleki: Text replace - "jbocre: e" to "e"
2014-03-23T11:38:41Z
<p>Text replace - "jbocre: e" to "e"</p>
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