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{{irci|tcatipax|".i do ka'e jmina fi .ubu" {{=}} you have innate ability to add something to/with u? What am I getting wrong?}} | |||
{{irci|selpa`i|Is it wrong?}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|tcati: who said anything is wrong?}} | |||
{{irci|selpa`i|It parses}} | |||
{{irci|tcatipax|So, my interpretation is correct?<br/>I don't know how that makes sense. It's on the front page of wikipedia.<br/>The lojban version.}} | |||
{{irci|selpa`i|Could ubu be an abbreviation`?}} | |||
{{irci|Twey|Yes<br/>It has to be<br/>Otherwise it would be '''me'o .ubu''', or something.}} | |||
{{irci|selpa`i|So maybe the section's name starts with u}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|its short for .uikipedias}} | |||
{{irci|selpa`i|There you go.}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|the sentence before says .uikipedias}} | |||
{{irci|selpa`i|Context.}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|hehe}} | |||
{{irci|tcatipax|Ah.<br/>Thanks!}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|je'e}} | |||
{{irci|tcatipax|I mean, ki'e .ui}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|Twey: wouldn '''lu ubu li'u''' <u>cut</u> it too?}} | |||
{{irci|Twey|vensa: Not quite the same}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|'''li ubu''' seems to cut it<br/>Twey: whats the diff?}} | |||
{{irci|Twey|li .ubu is, I think, interpreting it as a mathematical variable with a number value}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|I read '''me'o''' is the wuote-equivalent for lerfu strings<br/>ok. but y not '''lu ubu li'u'''?}} | |||
{{irci|Twey|'''lu ubu li'u''' would be quoting it as a whole utterance}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|what does it mean "as a whole utterance"?<br/>if it were '''by''' instead and I used '''zo by'''?}} | |||
{{irci|Twey|No, not '''lu ubu li'u''', indeed}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|If the whole contents of your quote ends up to be one letter '''ubu'''), how is that different from '''zo'''?}} | |||
{{irci|Twey|'''lu'''/'''li'u''' is for grammatical utterances<br/>Whole grammatical utterances<br/>So it's taking that as a whole phrase that someone said, or something like that}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|so,would '''lo'u le'u''' be ok with you?}} | |||
{{irci|Twey|No, because that doesn't take grammar into account}} | |||
{{irci|Twey|So '''ubu''' would be the two words '''.u''' and '''bu'''}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|it wont parse the '''bu'''?<br/>so you're saying '''zo by''' is not equivalent to '''lu ubu li'u'''? so basically theres no way to quote a U?}} | |||
{{irci|Twey|Not the single character U<br/>Sure there is — me'o}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|(except '''me'o''')<br/>but '''by''' can be quoted in two ways<br/>that doesnt seem fair }} | |||
{{irci|Twey|You can also quote with lu/li'u, but that means that it's dereferenced too (although possibly in a different context)}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|another reason to prefer my term for U: '''u'y'''}} | |||
{{irci|Twey|''Twey doesn't see what's wrong with me'o.''}} | |||
{{irci|vensa|nothings *wrong* with it<br/>I just dont like the injustice that befalls vowels in lojban<br/>:)}} | |||
Latest revision as of 10:40, 25 December 2014
tcatipax | ".i do ka'e jmina fi .ubu" = you have innate ability to add something to/with u? What am I getting wrong? |
selpa`i | Is it wrong? |
vensa | tcati: who said anything is wrong? |
selpa`i | It parses |
tcatipax | So, my interpretation is correct? I don't know how that makes sense. It's on the front page of wikipedia. The lojban version. |
selpa`i | Could ubu be an abbreviation`? |
Twey | Yes It has to be Otherwise it would be me'o .ubu, or something. |
selpa`i | So maybe the section's name starts with u |
vensa | its short for .uikipedias |
selpa`i | There you go. |
vensa | the sentence before says .uikipedias |
selpa`i | Context. |
vensa | hehe |
tcatipax | Ah. Thanks! |
vensa | je'e |
tcatipax | I mean, ki'e .ui |
vensa | Twey: wouldn lu ubu li'u cut it too? |
Twey | vensa: Not quite the same |
vensa | li ubu seems to cut it Twey: whats the diff? |
Twey | li .ubu is, I think, interpreting it as a mathematical variable with a number value |
vensa | I read me'o is the wuote-equivalent for lerfu strings ok. but y not lu ubu li'u? |
Twey | lu ubu li'u would be quoting it as a whole utterance |
vensa | what does it mean "as a whole utterance"? if it were by instead and I used zo by? |
Twey | No, not lu ubu li'u, indeed |
vensa | If the whole contents of your quote ends up to be one letter ubu), how is that different from zo? |
Twey | lu/li'u is for grammatical utterances Whole grammatical utterances So it's taking that as a whole phrase that someone said, or something like that |
vensa | so,would lo'u le'u be ok with you? |
Twey | No, because that doesn't take grammar into account |
Twey | So ubu would be the two words .u and bu |
vensa | it wont parse the bu? so you're saying zo by is not equivalent to lu ubu li'u? so basically theres no way to quote a U? |
Twey | Not the single character U Sure there is — me'o |
vensa | (except me'o) but by can be quoted in two ways that doesnt seem fair |
Twey | You can also quote with lu/li'u, but that means that it's dereferenced too (although possibly in a different context) |
vensa | another reason to prefer my term for U: u'y |
Twey | Twey doesn't see what's wrong with me'o. |
vensa | nothings *wrong* with it I just dont like the injustice that befalls vowels in lojban :) |