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[[jbocre: pc|pc]]'s definition:


Here "mi" attempts to create a list of reasons why certain changes/additions and artifacts in lojban exist, so help people explain and understand the language as is. This should also prevent history from repeatting itself. For a list of common beginner misunderstanding database see [[jbocre: common beginner misunderstanding database|common beginner misunderstanding database]].
Nalgol is the language "to improve a minor point in [[jbocre: Loglan|Loglan]]" by totally redoing a mass of major design features.  The original one was, I think, Jim Carter's back in the late 70s. ''(It was. --[[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]])''  We haven't had occasion to mention this typical constructed language phenomenon in Lojban much since the base-lining (and before it was part of the process), but recently there seems to have been a spate of ever more aggressive cases which now seem to call the word back into use.  Or should we shift to Nabjol? I think not; the chance to shoot at the languages of the 60s and 70s is still too good to pass by.


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''What were Jim Carter's original proposals?''


==Why does .y. exist?==
* Way too many to list here: a steady evolution Loglan > Nalgol > Djimbraon > -gzn !gvr > [[gua\spi|gua\spi]].
** One that was adopted in both Lojban and [[jbocre: Loglan|Loglan]] is COI/DOI + selbri, which [[jbocre: the Founders|the Founders]] still sometimes call a "Carter vocative".


[[jbocre: The god R|The god R]]
''Come on, no fair tempting us like that! Give at least a representative sample of some that were rejected.''


Apparently it started with Loglan which had an unofficial "drag" character rrr, which eventually got incorperated with the language. From then Lojban was developed, using Y. (Folk law, until someone corrects it.)
* Okay.  The elimination of the difference between gismu and rafsi (which entails the elimination of the difference between non-pe'a tanru and lujvo).
** So far, so good. Maybe I should switch to [[gua\spi|gua\spi]].


==The mud==
*** Shhhhh!
 
*** Go ahead - Jim needs someone to talk to! (I think he's the only guaspist around)
The mud was a translation effort by rlpowel to translate the Moo mud to lojban. It began in 2005.

Revision as of 17:06, 4 November 2013

pc's definition:

Nalgol is the language "to improve a minor point in Loglan" by totally redoing a mass of major design features. The original one was, I think, Jim Carter's back in the late 70s. (It was. --John Cowan) We haven't had occasion to mention this typical constructed language phenomenon in Lojban much since the base-lining (and before it was part of the process), but recently there seems to have been a spate of ever more aggressive cases which now seem to call the word back into use. Or should we shift to Nabjol? I think not; the chance to shoot at the languages of the 60s and 70s is still too good to pass by.

What were Jim Carter's original proposals?

  • Way too many to list here: a steady evolution Loglan > Nalgol > Djimbraon > -gzn !gvr > gua\spi.
    • One that was adopted in both Lojban and Loglan is COI/DOI + selbri, which the Founders still sometimes call a "Carter vocative".

Come on, no fair tempting us like that! Give at least a representative sample of some that were rejected.

  • Okay. The elimination of the difference between gismu and rafsi (which entails the elimination of the difference between non-pe'a tanru and lujvo).
    • So far, so good. Maybe I should switch to gua\spi.
      • Shhhhh!
      • Go ahead - Jim needs someone to talk to! (I think he's the only guaspist around)
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