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So far Lojbanic literary efforts have been limited to a handful of users, & most of the texts produced have been translated from English & other languages.


An early proposal to write Lojban in [[jbocre: Old Norse verse forms|Old Norse verse forms]] did not bear much fruit, though the idea itself remains fascinating (& perhaps stands for a ne plus ultra of Lojbanic competance?).
''[[jbocre: Links Discussion aljbo tcita nu casnu|Links Discussion aljbo tcita nu casnu]]''


Several people have written sonnets in iambic pentameter, as well as rhyming songs.
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*[[User:xorxes|Jorge Llambias]]: Poems listed under [[User:xorxes|xorxes]]
''mi zukte''
*[[User:tsali|Arnt Richard Johansen]]: [http://www.opoudjis.net/lojbanbrochure/brochure/bradi.html bradi je bandu]


There are also others prefering jbopemci without endrhymes, e.g.:
;An essay i wrote about my concept of "blixen" (style-philosophies).: [http://www.luckydogbooks.com/helsem1.html]


*[http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/HAIKU.RXML la .xorxes.]: Haikus (also Hiragana)
;The first part of a three-part poem involving a versification of my own devising.: [http://musea.digitalchainsaw.com/poetry70.html]
*[[jbocre: [http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/HAIKU2.RXML la .aulun.]]:] Haikus (also Hiragana)


*[http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/GARCIA.RXML la .xorxes.]: xirli'u selsanga
;A project for which i once composed hundreds of definitions for neologisms.:[http://net22.com/neologisms] (broken link)--try: [http://cla.umn.edu/joglars/neologisms/scripts/admin_menu.php] (actually, the entrance you are supposed to use is: [http://www.neologisms.us] )
*[http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/LOJBAN.RXML la .xorxes./la .aulun.]: xirli'u selsanga (Tengwar)


*[http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/LOJBAN.RXML la .aulun.]: selmo'i etc. (also Tengwar, plus originals)
;Another of my works is to be found in here.: [http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki?ApocryphalBooks]
*[http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/PEMCI.RXML la .aulun.]: loi xelfanvycau pemci


*[http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/GOETHE.RXML la .aulun.]: nicte selsa'a be le dzuli'u (''Sorry, this one having endrhymes'')
An [[jbocre: essay on Quantitative Meter|essay on Quantitative Meter]] in English
*[http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/LIPIN.RXML la .aulun.]: klama le dibzda


*[http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/SERESS.RXML la .aulun.]: doi ralju do'u mi pleji
A [[jbocre: dubious conjecture|dubious conjecture]] which once meant much to me.
*''la maikl.: [[jbocre: le puzi cerni|le puzi cerni]]'' (haiku}; ''[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1053 a mipri]'' cezo'e


*la [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]] never writes rhyming poetry in any language.
''what about '''Glaugnea'''?'' [http://www.invisiblelighthouse.com/langlab/glaugnea.html here].


The Lojban limerick at one time had a vogue. See [[jbocre: doi dirba|doi dirba]], [[jbocre: nu porpi lo ckana|nu porpi lo ckana]].
i now have a blog-- [http://graywyvern.blogspot.com]


Haiku can be a fun form to play with. See [[jbocre: About Lojban Haikus|lojban Haikus]].
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An abbreviated "novel" (''cfika dekpu'' 'fiction gallon') by [[jbocre: Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]] exists, ''[[jbocre: lapoi pelxu ku'o trajynobli|lapoi pelxu ku'o trajynobli]]''; & within its labyrinthine coils are a couple of ''kakpa draci'' ('digger drama') or "Mole Plays".
 
An all-vowel poemform (''rolkemvaxysna pemci'') by [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]] may be seen under LojbanPoem. ''As even that example illustrates, it's not actually all vowels; just all attitudinals. The idea is to precisely define an emotion with a few lines of attitudinal indicators. Also, I frankly don't think'' rolkemvaxysna pemci ''sounds very good (plus I consider tanru more'' [[jbocre: lobykai|lobykai]]'') and would prefer'' selcinmo pemci ''instead. - la [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]''
 
* .i rolkemkalrysna ja rolkemnalzunsna doi myxyl. .i vaxysna fa ji'a lo sancrfrikativo. .i ko catlu la'ezoigy. [[jbocre: Phonetics|Phonetics]] gy.
** *''vaxysna'' is a morphological error. You mean ''vaxsna''.
 
* .i mi tugni tu'a la kreig. gi'e ku'i stidi tu'a "lu cmavo be zo .ui pemci li'u" .i ku'i ba'a le go'i na tugni mu'i leka nalmelbi -- mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
** If I were going to refer to it by selma'o names - and if you want to go right ahead - might I suggest ''cmavo be zo .ui je zo cai je zo nai pemci'' instead? - mi'e. [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]
 
*** (a) nit to be picked (possibly an opening for discussion): What word is there that is in the same selma'o as ''ui'' AND ''cai'' AND ''nai''?  Lojban's logic rears its head again: wouldn't it have to be ''cmavo be zo .ui .a zo cai .a zo nai pemci''?  (b) it's a tanru, and tanru need not be perfectly precise.  A little metonymy is not unreasonable, and mentioning only UI will probably be understood.  ''--mi'e [[User:Mark Shoulson|.mark.]]''
 
The "spicy tanru" ''seltsapytau'' (see: [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1789)] has been proposed: throwing together ''gismu'' into arbitrary combinations & then trying to understand the results. (Doubtless this influenced the phrase ''xazdo stagi'' in ''la luryri'e''.)
 
Riddles, ''te smadi'' ('thing-guessed about'), have also been written. (See:
 
"Three riddles": [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1231] & ff)


[[jbocre: Palindromes|Palindromes]] have also been written.
''mi nelci''


Creating ''lujvo'' according to special patterns, is also a minor artform.
;The webpage of one of my publishers, a group of very inventive experimental media artists.: http://www.net22.com/qazingulaza/front.html (broken link) -- try [http://www.cla.umn.edu/joglars/multidex.php]


*''[[jbocre: vlivla|vlivla]]'', or "Echo-Words".
;The webpage of another invented language, Taneraic, whose inventor i have corresponded with.: [http://www.phreacs.com.au/tanerai/]
*''[[jbocre: lujyjvo|lujyjvo]]'', or "Stuttering Words".


Don't those really mean ''powerful words'' and ''complicated lujvo''? (Yes, but the names needed to be paradigmatic...)
;The webpage of a Scottish cult musician named "Momus", whose cultural commentaries are both witty & prescient.: [http://www.imomus.com/]


To forestall any potential confusion; Lojban does not have contrastive vowel length, so it does not, and shall not, have [[jbocre: essay on Quantitative Meter uantitative metre|essay on Quantitative Meter uantitative metre]].
;The Buffalo Poetry Center, whose mailing list is a key conduit for current [[jbocre: Language Poetry|Language Poetry]] culture.: [http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/poetics.html]


* Knowing how this Wiki works, some damnfool is going to go out and attempt it anyway now. :-) -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
;A dealer in rare & unusual books of the fantastic & horrific, with fascinating commentaries.: [http://www.violetbooks.com]
** Damnfool here. Try counting dipthongs as long and monopthongs as short.


* A new verse style: The "watching tanru", [[jbocre: ctatanru|ctatanru]]
;The webpage of Bruce Sterling's "Viridian Movement", that seeks to make ecology fashionable.: http://www.well.com/conf/mirrorshades/viridian/ (broken link) -- [http://www.viridiandesign.org]


* ''[[jbocre: jugytai jbopemci|jugytai jbopemci]]''
;Another] Bruce Sterling project, the collecting of obsolete media.: [http://www.deadmedia.org]
 
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Insofar as having a meaning for [[All Places Equally Important Gotcha very ''sumti'' position of a ''gismu'' is considered essential to its integrity as a semantic unit|All Places Equally Important Gotcha very ''sumti'' position of a ''gismu'' is considered essential to its integrity as a semantic unit]], it has been pointed out that until a Lojban poem ''lojbo pemci'' actually has a poetry-audience ''ve pemci'', it might better be referred to as a ''valsi morna'' 'word-arrangement'. Carrying this distinction further, some poets call themselves ''pemcypra'' 'poem-producer', rather than ''te pemci''. '''Despite the fact that we don't produce ''pemci'' until there is a ''ve pemci''?'''
;A webpage dedicated to the obscure historical figure "Vortigern", including the infamous Shakespeare forgery soon to be the subject of a movie by Neil Gaiman: [http://www.vortigernstudies.org.uk/questhomepage.htm]


*.i banzu fa lenu su'o pa da ve pemci .i mi ba'o pinka le bangu .e ji'a ba'e le kamlarcu be la [[jbocre: ziryroi|ziryroi]] .e la bradi je bandu .i seni'ibo mi pu ca'a ve pemci loi lojbo .i seni'ibo le finti be la ziryroi kufa'u la bradi je bandu ca'a pemci fo da -- mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]] (And even this hardliner is astonished at this extent of hardlinerism!)
;The real Kalevala: [http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/kveng/]
**stidi lu .i mi ba'o '''te''' pinka le bangu li'u mu'i lenu mi djica co sruma ledu'u do nalpapri gi'a na'e lerpoi zo'o


* This is an instance of the [[Bloated Gismu Syndrome|Bloated Gismu Syndrome]]
;An exhaustive Anagram Engine of limited usefulness, but interesting: [http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/index.html]
* You create a ve pemci by posting your poem.


* ''noda'' is a valid value for a sumti.  ''leza'i noda ve pemci cu na nibli leza'i na pemci'' -mi'e [[jbocre: .djorden.|.djorden.]]
;A page for sliderule collectors: [http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/oughtred.html]
** ''le za'i noda ve pemci cu ja'a nibli le za'i na pemci i le za'i noda ve pemci cu du le za'i naku da ve pemci kei gi'e du le za'i na ve pemci kei gi'e du le za'i na pemci''


*** ''.i ju'oru'e lu naku da ve pemci li'u na du lu na ve pemci li'u goi ko'a .i lu naku da ve pemci li'u du lu da na ve pemci li'u .i ri na du ko'a ni'i leza'i zo zo'e na du zo da .i xu do krici je'i djuno be fo ma''
;Elephant Art (for real!). "Very few elephants paint and hardly any have had art shows...": [http://www.yakscorner.com/new/big/29story.html] (broken link) ; [http://thegalleriesatmoore.org/presskandm.shtml ore] ; [http://www.bloxhamgalleries.com/exhibitions/elephants/elephant_pics.html till more](broken link); & especially [http://discovery.juicecreative.com.au/crit.php here]. "...really, really accomplished elephant artists earn up to $100,000 annually."
**** ''i'a i zo zo'e na ka'e basti lu noda li'u i ku'i ja'a ka'e basti lu lo'e prenu li'u mu'a i le nu pemci fo lo'e prenu cu na nibli le nu da zo'u pemci fo da''--[[User:xorxes|xorxes]]


pemci pem poem x1 is a poem/verse about plot/theme/subject/pattern x2 by author x3 for intended audience x4
;The Extrasolar Planets Encyclopedia: [http://www.obspm.fr/encycl/encycl.html]


Don't think there is any need for a {ca'a ve pemci} to be a {te pemci}, since x4 is just an *intended* audience (most poets write for an intended audience - at least for themselves).
;Online Text of the e-less novel "Gadsby" by Ernest Vincent Wright: [http://gadsby.hypermart.net/]


**According to that definition, a ''ca'a ve pemci'' is an actually intended audience, not an actual audience. You could not specify an actual audience with that place structure. A ''ka'e ve pemci'' would be a potentially intended audience, not necessarily actually intended. --[[User:xorxes|xorxes]]
;a new weblog by first-generation L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poet Ron Silliman: [http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/]


[http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/poetry.html How to write Lojban Poetry] has some good ideas.  See also [http://www.lojban.org/tiki//tiki-index.php?page=mi%20pensi%20le%20lojbo Issues of Lojbanic Scansion].
;sometimes i play chess with the computer here (& it's hard to beat!): [http://b2-b4.com]

Revision as of 08:03, 13 December 2013

Links Discussion aljbo tcita nu casnu

mi zukte

An essay i wrote about my concept of "blixen" (style-philosophies).
[1]
The first part of a three-part poem involving a versification of my own devising.
[2]
A project for which i once composed hundreds of definitions for neologisms.
[3] (broken link)--try: [4] (actually, the entrance you are supposed to use is: [5] )
Another of my works is to be found in here.
[6]

An essay on Quantitative Meter in English

A dubious conjecture which once meant much to me.

what about Glaugnea? here.

i now have a blog-- [7]

mi nelci

The webpage of one of my publishers, a group of very inventive experimental media artists.
http://www.net22.com/qazingulaza/front.html (broken link) -- try [8]
The webpage of another invented language, Taneraic, whose inventor i have corresponded with.
[9]
The webpage of a Scottish cult musician named "Momus", whose cultural commentaries are both witty & prescient.
[10]
The Buffalo Poetry Center, whose mailing list is a key conduit for current Language Poetry culture.
[11]
A dealer in rare & unusual books of the fantastic & horrific, with fascinating commentaries.
[12]
The webpage of Bruce Sterling's "Viridian Movement", that seeks to make ecology fashionable.
http://www.well.com/conf/mirrorshades/viridian/ (broken link) -- [13]
Another] Bruce Sterling project, the collecting of obsolete media.
[14]
A webpage dedicated to the obscure historical figure "Vortigern", including the infamous Shakespeare forgery soon to be the subject of a movie by Neil Gaiman
[15]
The real Kalevala
[16]
An exhaustive Anagram Engine of limited usefulness, but interesting
[17]
A page for sliderule collectors
[18]
Elephant Art (for real!). "Very few elephants paint and hardly any have had art shows..."
[19] (broken link) ; ore ; till more(broken link); & especially here. "...really, really accomplished elephant artists earn up to $100,000 annually."
The Extrasolar Planets Encyclopedia
[20]
Online Text of the e-less novel "Gadsby" by Ernest Vincent Wright
[21]
a new weblog by first-generation L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poet Ron Silliman
[22]
sometimes i play chess with the computer here (& it's hard to beat!)
[23]
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