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part of [[jbocre: jbovlaste import: taxonomy lang en]]
When you are too lazy to look up or create a selbri, or you are writing an example and think using the right brivla would just obscure the point, you can [http://tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/kluge.html luge up] a "Level 0 fu'ivla" by writing an English (or other [[jbocre: natlang|natlang]] word) and preceding it with a "-".


If you're being precise, you should call this taxon ''ri'ospa'', "green plants", to distinguish them from red algae, diatoms and kelp, and other unrelated organisms that might be called ''spati''.
For example:  ''la djordj. buc. cu -president ubu.sy.''


*{jvsn plant general=1} '''{jvsv spati}'''
* And to pile la osas. on la pelion., you can actually enunciate these things by pronouncing the leading hyphen as Lojban "iy", one of the two reserved diphthongs: /ladZordZ?buS?Suj@prEz@dEnt?ubu?s@/.  I think it was [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier ora|Nora LeChevalier ora]] who pointed this out.  -- [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]]
**{jvsn moss general=1} {jvsv clikyspa}


**{jvsn vascular plant general=1} {jvsv bluspati}
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***{jvsn fern general=1} {jvsv filcina}


***{jvsn spermatophyte general=1} {jvsv tsispati}
Without condoning this practice (mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]), the first time I remember seeing this was [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/9930] . John, did you devise this convention, or is it older?
****{jvsn conifer general=1} '''{jvsv ckunu}'''


*****{jvsn pine meaning="tree" general=1} {jvsv ricrpino}, {jvsv jesyckunu}
* It was first used AFAIK in a [[jbocre: JL|JL]] article, demonstrating the folly of [[jbocre: Anglan|Anglan]] by replacing all the brivla in a couple of paragraphs of Lojban text with [[jbocre: hyphen|hyphen]]-prefixed English words; it was just as much jabberwocky as before.
*****{jvsn juniper general=1}, {jvsn cedar general=1} {jvsv junpero}


*****{jvsn cycad general=1} {jvsv ricrcikade}
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*****{jvsn ginkgo general=1} {jvsv ricrginko}


*****{jvsv spatrgnetale}
''xrukykai carmi'' (nago'i .i za'e se zombi)
****{jvsn angiosperm general=1}, {jvsn flowering plant general=1} {jvsv angiosperma}, {jvsv rulspati}
 
*****{jvsn monocot general=1} {jvsv pavyterykotledona} ''this fu'ivla lujvo is not supported yet''
******{jvsv sparagale}
 
*******{jvsn asparagus general=1} {jvsv sparago}
*******{jvsv spatrxalio}
 
********{jvsn garlic general=1} '''{jvsv sunga}'''
********{jvsn leek general=1} {jvsv kamjysunga}
 
********{jvsn onion general=1} '''{jvsv sluni}'''
******{jvsv spatrliliace}
 
*******{jvsn tulip general=1} '''{jvsv tujli}'''
******{jvsv spatrxarace}
 
*******{jvsn taro general=1} {jvsv spatrtaro}
*******{jvsn konjac general=1} {jvsv konjaku}
 
*******{jvsn calla general=1} {jvsv rulrkala}
******(l){jvsn rush meaning="plant" general=1} {jvsv junkace}
 
******(l){jvsn sedge general=1} {jvsv spatrciperace}
*******{jvsn bulrush general=1} {jvsv spatrskirpo}
 
*******{jvsn papyrus meaning="plant" general=1} {jvsv misryplespa}
*******{jvsn water chestnut general=1} {jvsv spatrleoxari}
 
******(l){jvsn grass general=1} '''{jvsv srasu}''' (''Poaceae'')
*******{jvsn grain meaning="grass seed" general=1} '''{jvsv gurni}'''
 
*******{jvsn oats general=1} '''{jvsv mavji}'''
*******{jvsn barley general=1} '''{jvsv bavmi}'''
 
*******{jvsn wheat general=1} '''{jvsv maxri}'''
*******{jvsn corn general=1} '''{jvsv zumri}'''
 
********{jvsn teosinte general=1} cilce zumri
*******{jvsn rice general=1} '''{jvsv rismi}'''
 
*******{jvsn sorghum general=1} '''{jvsv sorgu}'''
*******{jvsn lovegrass general=1} {jvsv pamsrasu}
 
********{jvsn teff general=1} {jvsv gurnrtefi}
*******{jvsn bamboo general=1} {jvsv bambusa}
 
*******{jvsn reed general=1} {jvsv xagryspa}
******(l){jvsv spatrzingiberace}
 
*******{jvsn ginger general=1} {jvsv zingibero}
*******{jvsn turmeric general=1} {jvsv kurkuma}
 
*******{jvsn cardamom general=1} {jvsv kardamomu}
*******{jvsn zerumbet general=1} {jvsv zermbeto}
 
*******{jvsn galangal general=1} {jvsv glangala}
******(l){jvsn banana general=1} '''{jvsv badna}'''
 
******(gl){jvsn bromeliad general=1} {jvsv bromeli}
*******{jvsn pineapple general=1} {jvsv rutrxananase}
 
*****{jvsn dicot general=1} {jvsv relterykotledona} ''fu'ivla lujvo ditto''
******{jvsn honeysuckle general=1} {jvsv loncera}
 
******(l){jvsn nightshade general=1} {jvsv spatrsolanace}
*******{jvsn tomato general=1} '''{jvsv tamca}'''
 
*******{jvsn potato general=1} '''{jvsv patlu}'''
*******{jvsn chili pepper general=1}, {jvsn Capsicum general=1} {jvsv kapsiku}
 
*******{jvsn brinjal general=1}, {jvsn eggplant general=1} {jvsv mlongena}
*******{jvsn jimsonweed general=1} {jvsv stramoni}
 
*******{jvsn tobacco general=1} '''{jvsv tanko}'''
******{jvsn dodder general=1} {jvsv marbela}
 
******(l){jvsn cucurbit general=1} '''{jvsv guzme}'''
*******{jvsn cucumber general=1} {jvsv clazme}
 
*******{jvsn loofa general=1} {jvsv panjyzme}
*******{jvsn watermelon general=1} {jvsv guzrcitrulo}
 
*******{jvsn squash general=1} {jvsv kurbita}
********{jvsn pumpkin general=1} {jvsv brazme}
 
*******{jvsn cantaloupe general=1} {jvsv najyzme}
*******{jvsn winter melon general=1} {jvsv durzme}
 
******{jvsv spatrfabace}
*******{jvsv spatrmimosoide}
 
*******{jvsv spatrkaisalpinioide}
*******{jvsv spatrfaboide}
 
********{jvsn alfalfa general=1} {jvsv alfalfa}
********{jvsn clover general=1} {jvsv trifoli}
 
********{jvsn bean general=1} '''{jvsv dembi}'''
*********{jvsn pea general=1} {jvsv boldembi}
 
*********{jvsn peanut general=1} {jvsv derdembi}
*********{jvsn lentil general=1} {jvsv lendembi}
 
*********{jvsn soybean general=1} '''{jvsv sobde}'''
*********{jvsn garbanzo general=1} {jvsv dembrciceri}
 
*********{jvsn jequirity general=1} {jvsv vidbidjydembi}
********{jvsv debrloto}
 
********{jvsn indigo general=1} {jvsv bladembi}
********{jvsn jicama general=1} {jvsv debysamcu}
 
********{jvsn fenugreek general=1} {jvsv trigonela}
******(l){jvsv spatrkanabinace}
 
*******{jvsn cannabis general=1}, {jvsv hemp} '''{jvsv marna}'''
*******{jvsn hop general=1} {jvsv birjytsapi}
 
******(l){jvsv kurtsapi}, {jvsv tebrulspa}
*******{jvsn sage general=1} {jvsv spatrsalvia}
 
********{jvsv sevri'a} spatrsalvia
*******{jvsn basil general=1} {jvsv spatrbasiliko}, {jvsv alba'aka}
 
*******{jvsn thyme general=1} {jvsv spatrtimo}
*******{jvsn oregano general=1} {jvsv xrigani}
 
********{jvsn marjoram general=1} {jvsv marjorana}
*******{jvsn catnip general=1} {jvsv latfekspa}
 
*******{jvsn mint general=1} {jvsv spatrmenta}
*******{jvsn lavender general=1} {jvsv vandula}
 
*******{jvsn rosemary general=1} {jvsv spatnrosmarino}
*******{jvsn horehound general=1} {jvsv xarxune}
 
******(l){jvsv spatrxoleace}
*******{jvsn olive general=1} {jvsv rasygrute}
 
*******{jvsn ash general=1} {jvsv fraksino}
*******{jvsn privet general=1} {jvsv trueno}
 
******(l){jvsv spatnrosace}
*******{jvsv spatrmaloide}
 
********{jvsn apple general=1} '''{jvsv plise}'''
********{jvsn pear general=1} '''{jvsv perli}'''
 
********{jvsn hawthorn general=1} {jvsv krataigo}
********{jvsn firethorn general=1} {jvsv fagjesyspa}
 
*******{jvsv spatnrosoide}
********{jvsn rose general=1} '''{jvsv rozgu}'''
 
********{jvsn strawberry general=1} {jvsv fragari}
********{jvsn raspberry general=1}, {jvsn blackberry general=1}, {jvsn bramble general=1} {jvsv frambesi}
 
*******{jvsv spatrmugdaloide}
********{jvsv ricrprunu} (''Prunus'')
 
*********{jvsn plum general=1} {jvsv flaume}
*********{jvsn almond general=1} {jvsv mugdali}
 
*********{jvsn peach general=1} {jvsv persika}
*********{jvsn cherry general=1} {jvsv ricrceraso}
 
*********{jvsn apricot general=1} {jvsv birkoku}
******(l){jvsv spatrfagace}
 
*******{jvsn oak general=1} '''{jvsv cindu}'''
******{jvsn sycamore general=1} {jvsv platano}
 
******(l){jvsv spatrkomposita}, {jvsv spatrxasterace}
*******{jvsn dandelion general=1} {jvsv tarksako}
 
*******{jvsn lettuce general=1} {jvsv laktuka}, {jvsv kobrlaktuka}, {jvsv spatrlaktuka}
********{jvsv clapezli} kobrlaktuka (''Lactuca sativa var. longifolia / Romaine Lettuce'')
 
*******{jvsn sunflower general=1} {jvsv solxrula}
********{jvsn Jerusalem artichoke general=1} solxrula patlu
 
*******{jvsn artichoke general=1} {jvsv xarcufu}
*******{jvsn mugwort general=1} {jvsv artemisi}
 
********{jvsn tarragon general=1} {jvsv drakunkulo}
********{jvsn wormwood general=1} {jvsv vermutu}
 
******(l)'''{jvsv xruba}''' (''Polygonaceae'')
*******{jvsn buckwheat general=1} {jvsv xrixruba}, {jvsv gruxruba}
 
*******{jvsn rhubarb general=1} {jvsv stanyxruba}
*******{jvsn fleeceflower general=1}, {jvsn ho-shou-wu general=1} {jvsv xekykrexruba}
 
*******{jvsn dyer's knotweed general=1}, {jvsn Japanese indigo general=1} {jvsv blaxruba}
******{jvsn spurge general=1} {jvsv spatrxauforbiace}
 
*******{jvsn cassava general=1}, {jvsn manioc general=1} {jvsv samcrkasava}, {jvsv mandioka}
*******{jvsn poinsettia general=1} {jvsv poinsetia}
 
******(l){jvsn heath general=1} {jvsv spatrxerikace}
*******{jvsn arbutus general=1} {jvsv arbutu}
 
*******{jvsn bearberry general=1} {jvsv cribyjba}
*******{jvsn birdbush general=1} {jvsv cpijba}
 
*******{jvsn cowberry general=1}, {jvsn lingonberry general=1}, {jvsn blueberry general=1}, {jvsn cranberry general=1} {jvsv bakyjba}
******(l){jvsn flax general=1} {jvsv matlyspa}
 
*******{jvsv selplirai} matlyspa (''Linum usitatissimum'')
******(g){jvsv spatrmalvale}
 
*******(l){jvsn mallow general=1} {jvsv spatrmalvace}, {jvsv malvace}
********{jvsn cotton general=1} {jvsv mapnyspa}
 
*******(l){jvsv spatrbombakace}
********{jvsn baobab general=1} {jvsv ricrbaubabu}
 
********{jvsn kapok general=1} {jvsv mapnytricu}
*******(l){jvsv spatrsterkuliace}
 
********{jvsn cacao general=1} {jvsv caklyspa}
********{jvsn monkeynut general=1} {jvsv sterkuli}
 
********{jvsn kola nut general=1} {jvsv nargrkola}
******(l){jvsv spatrjuglandace}
 
*******{jvsn walnut general=1} {jvsv jglandi}
*******{jvsn pecan general=1}, {jvsn hickory general=1} {jvsv nargrkaria}
 
******(l){jvsv spatrteace}
*******{jvsn camellia general=1} {jvsv tcatyspa}
 
******{jvsv spatrsapindale}
*******{jvsn maple general=1} {jvsv ricrxacero}
 
*******{jvsn pistachio general=1} {jvsv nargrpistaco}
*******{jvsn soapberry general=1} {jvsv babjba}
 
*******(l){jvsv spatnrutace}
********{jvsn citrus general=1} '''{jvsv nimre}'''
 
*********{jvsn grapefruit general=1} {jvsv branimre}
*********{jvsn orange general=1} {jvsv najnimre}
 
*********{jvsn lemon general=1} {jvsv pelnimre}
*******(l){jvsv spatrnakardiace}
 
********{jvsn cashew general=1} {jvsv nargrkaju}
********{jvsn mango general=1} {jvsv rutrmango}, '''''{jvsv mango}'''''
 
********{jvsn poison ivy general=1}, {jvsn poison sumac general=1}, etc. {jvsv urci}
*******(l){jvsv spatrmeliace}
 
********{jvsn neem general=1} {jvsv margosa}
********{jvsn mahogany general=1} {jvsv ma'agni}
 
********{jvsn carap general=1} {jvsv andiroba}
******{jvsn mistletoe general=1} {jvsv viktsispa}
 
******{jvsn sandalwood general=1} {jvsv tcandana}
******(l){jvsn umbellifer general=1} {jvsv rulsantyspa}
 
*******{jvsn Queen Anne's lace general=1}, {jvsn carrot general=1} {jvsv spatrdauko}
*******{jvsn celery general=1} {jvsv spatrxapio}
 
******{jvsv spatrkaparale}
*******(l){jvsn crucifer general=1} {jvsv krucifera}, {jvsv brasikace}
 
********{jvsv brasika}
*********{jvsn cabbage general=1} '''{jvsv kobli}'''
 
*********{jvsn mustard general=1} {jvsv koblrsinapi}
*********{jvsn rape general=1} {jvsv koblnrapa}
 
********{jvsn radish general=1} {jvsv spatnrafano}
********{jvsn horseradish general=1} {jvsv armoraci}
 
********{jvsn bolbonac general=1} {jvsv bolbonako}
********{jvsn woad general=1} {jvsv aizdo}
 
******(l){jvsn goosefoot general=1} {jvsv gunsyjmaspa}
*******{jvsn quinoa general=1} {jvsv spatrkinua}
 
*******{jvsn spinach general=1} {jvsv spinaki}
******(l)(j){jvsn lotus general=1} {jvsv xinlatna}, {jvsv bujlatna} (''Nelumbo'')
 
******(l){jvsv nimfaiace}
*******(j){jvsn waterlily general=1} {jvsv misrylatna}, {jvsv nimfaia}
 
******(l){jvsv spatrlitrace}
*******{jvsn crape myrtle general=1} {jvsv largectremia} ''unsupported fu'ivla''
 
*******{jvsn henna general=1} {jvsv me'andi}
******(l){jvsv spatrmirtace}
 
*******{jvsn paperbark general=1} {jvsv mlaluka}
*******{jvsn cloves general=1} {jvsv kriofla}
 
*******{jvsn guava general=1} {jvsv rutrguaiava}
*******{jvsn eucalyptus general=1} {jvsv maprultricu}
 
******(l){jvsv spatrmorace}
*******{jvsn fig general=1} '''{jvsv figre}'''
 
*******{jvsn mulberry general=1} {jvsv spatrmoro}
*******{jvsn breadfruit general=1} {jvsv nabgrute}
 
******(l){jvsv spatnrubiace}
*******{jvsn coffee general=1} {jvsv kaftricu}
 
*******{jvsn gardenia general=1} {jvsv ricrgardeni}
*******{jvsn ixora general=1} {jvsv iksora}
 
*******{jvsn cinchona general=1} {jvsv kinxona}
*******{jvsn gambier general=1}, {jvsn cat's claw general=1} {jvsv gambire}

Revision as of 16:57, 4 November 2013

When you are too lazy to look up or create a selbri, or you are writing an example and think using the right brivla would just obscure the point, you can luge up a "Level 0 fu'ivla" by writing an English (or other natlang word) and preceding it with a "-".

For example: la djordj. buc. cu -president ubu.sy.

  • And to pile la osas. on la pelion., you can actually enunciate these things by pronouncing the leading hyphen as Lojban "iy", one of the two reserved diphthongs: /ladZordZ?buS?Suj@prEz@dEnt?ubu?s@/. I think it was Nora LeChevalier ora who pointed this out. -- John Cowan

Without condoning this practice (mi'e nitcion), the first time I remember seeing this was [1] . John, did you devise this convention, or is it older?

  • It was first used AFAIK in a JL article, demonstrating the folly of Anglan by replacing all the brivla in a couple of paragraphs of Lojban text with hyphen-prefixed English words; it was just as much jabberwocky as before.

xrukykai carmi (nago'i .i za'e se zombi)