https://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=gism&feed=atom&action=historygism - Revision history2024-03-28T14:25:47ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.38.4https://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=gism&diff=94658&oldid=prevGleki at 15:53, 10 May 20142014-05-10T15:53:56Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The </del>final <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">letters of gismu remind me of verb endings </del>in <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">other langauges: they are completely arbitrary and meaningless. We might as well have all the </del>gismu <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">end with "a". It'd be so much easier to memorize</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''gism''' is the concept of removing or reusing </ins>final <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">vowels </ins>in gismu.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''No it wouldn't. They </del>are <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">How quickly would you learn ''bangu'' without the ''angu'' of the English (pronounced '''l''angu''edj''')? Would a Chinese speaker learn ''vanju'' </del>as <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">easily without the chinese ''jiu'' (pronounced'' '''ju''''') being the entire second syllable? If we did this, we would </del>have <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to redo </del>the gismu <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">creation process to keep the same mnemonic advantage. I would agree </del>with <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">you, if it weren</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t already </del>a '<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'very</del>'' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">important part of the baseline - and one whose violation would result in everything I have ever written in the language becoming meaningless (at best)</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[ki</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ai|ki'ai]] [[Nalgol|nabjol]]! - mi'e. [[.kreig.daniyl.|</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">kreig.daniyl.]]''</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The final letters of gismu remind of verb endings in other languages: they </ins>are <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">completely arbitrary and meaningless</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lojban might </ins>as <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">well </ins>have <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">had all </ins>the gismu <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">end </ins>with '<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>a'''. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">d be arguably easier to memorize them</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Yes, well</del>, the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">same could be argued for pretty much any natural language</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> But in fact, the potential reform would not render meaningless your entire work; it would make it easier for others to make their own works, but yours </del>would <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">remain intact. We don't necessarily have to change all the endings to "a"--all that is really necessary is dropping the necessity of using the arbitrary endings already assigned. Maybe the final letter should be a matter of choice. If it's easier for </del>you <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to remember "gismu" than just "gism-", go ahead and use that, but don</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t restrict others</del>' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">right to say "gismi". If we</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">re going to assign endings arbitrarily, we might as well not fix them permanently.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">However</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they are there from </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">How quickly </ins>would you <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">learn </ins>'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">bangu</ins>''' <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">without the </ins>''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">angu</ins>'' of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the English (pronounced </ins>''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">l<u>angu</u>edj</ins>''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">)? Would </ins>a Chinese speaker <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">learn </ins>'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">vanju</ins>''' as <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">easily without </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">chinese "jiu" (pronounced <nowiki></ins>[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">dziou</ins>]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></nowiki></ins>) <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">being </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">entire second syllable</ins>?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Yes, but if you are going to assign them </del>''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">non</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'-arbitrarily, then we should fix them permanently. You seem to have convieniently forgotten everything I said above when you went to respond to it. If you are told that it is ''vanj</del>'' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">then you are not going to think </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">saying </del>''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">vanju</del>'' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">just because it fits with the chinese word. However, </del>a Chinese speaker <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">will find vanju easier to remember than vanj, just as I at least find bangu easier to remember than bang. The reform that would render my writing meaningless is to provide the same level of aid by doing the whole process over again without including the final vowel.</del>''</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''Not that we ''are</del>'' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">restricting your right to say </del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">gismi</del>' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and be understood, </del>as the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">final vowel is redundant and people will know you meant gismu, it is just that it is nonstandard. This is a Good Thing, as it also provides error-checking. When I wrote ''cuska'' in </del>[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[Round two|round two</del>]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">] of the [[Broken Phone|broken phone]] game, [[User:Pier.abat|Pierre]] knew I had screwed up. He also knew that it was equally likely to be cusku as ciska. He was right, typos do not conform to the morphology of the typoer's language unless they think in words (which I do not</del>)<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. So, under your proposal, ''ko'a cmala'' will be interpreted as ''ko'a is small'', when in fact it may very well be a typo of ''ko'a laughs''; in a world of perfect typosts you would be absolutely right but there is no such beast - even </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">best writer makes a mistake every once in a while. Do you want mistakes to be meaning-altering with this frequency? Or would you rather have the spell check notice that you would under your proposal have just said the opposite of what you meant? And do you really want to destroy the ''broda''-series</del>?<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''Since you do not like to respond to more than the last sentence of my posts (in case you didn't bother to read this one either it is noted up above that you ignored most of my previous comment) I am hereby not adding any content whatsoever to this sentence, except to remind you that you ought to read the entirity of both posts because otherwise your next response will make you sound like an idiot. - mi'e. [[.kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]''</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''No it wouldn't. They are there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance. How quickly would you learn ''bangu'' without the ''angu'' of the English (pronounced '''l''angu''edj''')? Would a Chinese speaker learn ''vanju'' as easily without the chinese ''jiu'' (pronounced'' '''ju''''') being the entire second syllable? If we did this, we would have to redo the gismu creation process to keep the same mnemonic advantage. I would agree with you, if it weren't already a ''very'' important part of the baseline - and one whose violation would result in everything I have ever written in the language becoming meaningless (at best). [[ki'ai|ki'ai]] [[Nalgol|nabjol]]! - mi'e. [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>.kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''No it wouldn't. They are there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance. How quickly would you learn ''bangu'' without the ''angu'' of the English (pronounced '''l''angu''edj''')? Would a Chinese speaker learn ''vanju'' as easily without the chinese ''jiu'' (pronounced'' '''ju''''') being the entire second syllable? If we did this, we would have to redo the gismu creation process to keep the same mnemonic advantage. I would agree with you, if it weren't already a ''very'' important part of the baseline - and one whose violation would result in everything I have ever written in the language becoming meaningless (at best). [[ki'ai|ki'ai]] [[Nalgol|nabjol]]! - mi'e. [[.kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yes, well, the same could be argued for pretty much any natural language. But in fact, the potential reform would not render meaningless your entire work; it would make it easier for others to make their own works, but yours would remain intact. We don't necessarily have to change all the endings to "a"--all that is really necessary is dropping the necessity of using the arbitrary endings already assigned. Maybe the final letter should be a matter of choice. If it's easier for you to remember "gismu" than just "gism-", go ahead and use that, but don't restrict others' right to say "gismi". If we're going to assign endings arbitrarily, we might as well not fix them permanently.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yes, well, the same could be argued for pretty much any natural language. But in fact, the potential reform would not render meaningless your entire work; it would make it easier for others to make their own works, but yours would remain intact. We don't necessarily have to change all the endings to "a"--all that is really necessary is dropping the necessity of using the arbitrary endings already assigned. Maybe the final letter should be a matter of choice. If it's easier for you to remember "gismu" than just "gism-", go ahead and use that, but don't restrict others' right to say "gismi". If we're going to assign endings arbitrarily, we might as well not fix them permanently.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Not that we ''are'' restricting your right to say 'gismi' and be understood, as the final vowel is redundant and people will know you meant gismu, it is just that it is nonstandard. This is a Good Thing, as it also provides error-checking. When I wrote ''cuska'' in [[Round two|round two]] of the [[Broken Phone|broken phone]] game, [[User:Pier.abat|Pierre]] knew I had screwed up. He also knew that it was equally likely to be cusku as ciska. He was right, typos do not conform to the morphology of the typoer's language unless they think in words (which I do not). So, under your proposal, ''ko'a cmala'' will be interpreted as ''ko'a is small'', when in fact it may very well be a typo of ''ko'a laughs''; in a world of perfect typosts you would be absolutely right but there is no such beast - even the best writer makes a mistake every once in a while. Do you want mistakes to be meaning-altering with this frequency? Or would you rather have the spell check notice that you would under your proposal have just said the opposite of what you meant? And do you really want to destroy the ''broda''-series?'</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Not that we ''are'' restricting your right to say 'gismi' and be understood, as the final vowel is redundant and people will know you meant gismu, it is just that it is nonstandard. This is a Good Thing, as it also provides error-checking. When I wrote ''cuska'' in [[Round two|round two]] of the [[Broken Phone|broken phone]] game, [[User:Pier.abat|Pierre]] knew I had screwed up. He also knew that it was equally likely to be cusku as ciska. He was right, typos do not conform to the morphology of the typoer's language unless they think in words (which I do not). So, under your proposal, ''ko'a cmala'' will be interpreted as ''ko'a is small'', when in fact it may very well be a typo of ''ko'a laughs''; in a world of perfect typosts you would be absolutely right but there is no such beast - even the best writer makes a mistake every once in a while. Do you want mistakes to be meaning-altering with this frequency? Or would you rather have the spell check notice that you would under your proposal have just said the opposite of what you meant? And do you really want to destroy the ''broda''-series?'</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Since you do not like to respond to more than the last sentence of my posts (in case you didn't bother to read this one either it is noted up above that you ignored most of my previous comment) I am hereby not adding any content whatsoever to this sentence, except to remind you that you ought to read the entirity of both posts because otherwise your next response will make you sound like an idiot. - mi'e. [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>.kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Since you do not like to respond to more than the last sentence of my posts (in case you didn't bother to read this one either it is noted up above that you ignored most of my previous comment) I am hereby not adding any content whatsoever to this sentence, except to remind you that you ought to read the entirity of both posts because otherwise your next response will make you sound like an idiot. - mi'e. [[.kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>ni'o .e'a .i ku'i finti le gismu zo'e lo valsi bei le no'e logji bangu ja'e le nu no'e logji</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>ni'o .e'a .i ku'i finti le gismu zo'e lo valsi bei le no'e logji bangu ja'e le nu no'e logji</div></td></tr>
</table>Glekihttps://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=gism&diff=90850&oldid=prevGleki: Text replace - "jbocre: ([L-Z])" to "$1"2014-03-23T14:51:35Z<p>Text replace - "jbocre: ([L-Z])" to "$1"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''No it wouldn't. They are there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance. How quickly would you learn ''bangu'' without the ''angu'' of the English (pronounced '''l''angu''edj''')? Would a Chinese speaker learn ''vanju'' as easily without the chinese ''jiu'' (pronounced'' '''ju''''') being the entire second syllable? If we did this, we would have to redo the gismu creation process to keep the same mnemonic advantage. I would agree with you, if it weren't already a ''very'' important part of the baseline - and one whose violation would result in everything I have ever written in the language becoming meaningless (at best). [[ki'ai|ki'ai]] [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>Nalgol|nabjol]]! - mi'e. [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''No it wouldn't. They are there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance. How quickly would you learn ''bangu'' without the ''angu'' of the English (pronounced '''l''angu''edj''')? Would a Chinese speaker learn ''vanju'' as easily without the chinese ''jiu'' (pronounced'' '''ju''''') being the entire second syllable? If we did this, we would have to redo the gismu creation process to keep the same mnemonic advantage. I would agree with you, if it weren't already a ''very'' important part of the baseline - and one whose violation would result in everything I have ever written in the language becoming meaningless (at best). [[ki'ai|ki'ai]] [[Nalgol|nabjol]]! - mi'e. [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yes, well, the same could be argued for pretty much any natural language. But in fact, the potential reform would not render meaningless your entire work; it would make it easier for others to make their own works, but yours would remain intact. We don't necessarily have to change all the endings to "a"--all that is really necessary is dropping the necessity of using the arbitrary endings already assigned. Maybe the final letter should be a matter of choice. If it's easier for you to remember "gismu" than just "gism-", go ahead and use that, but don't restrict others' right to say "gismi". If we're going to assign endings arbitrarily, we might as well not fix them permanently.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yes, well, the same could be argued for pretty much any natural language. But in fact, the potential reform would not render meaningless your entire work; it would make it easier for others to make their own works, but yours would remain intact. We don't necessarily have to change all the endings to "a"--all that is really necessary is dropping the necessity of using the arbitrary endings already assigned. Maybe the final letter should be a matter of choice. If it's easier for you to remember "gismu" than just "gism-", go ahead and use that, but don't restrict others' right to say "gismi". If we're going to assign endings arbitrarily, we might as well not fix them permanently.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Yes, but if you are going to assign them ''non''-arbitrarily, then we should fix them permanently. You seem to have convieniently forgotten everything I said above when you went to respond to it. If you are told that it is ''vanj'' then you are not going to think of saying ''vanju'' just because it fits with the chinese word. However, a Chinese speaker will find vanju easier to remember than vanj, just as I at least find bangu easier to remember than bang. The reform that would render my writing meaningless is to provide the same level of aid by doing the whole process over again without including the final vowel.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Yes, but if you are going to assign them ''non''-arbitrarily, then we should fix them permanently. You seem to have convieniently forgotten everything I said above when you went to respond to it. If you are told that it is ''vanj'' then you are not going to think of saying ''vanju'' just because it fits with the chinese word. However, a Chinese speaker will find vanju easier to remember than vanj, just as I at least find bangu easier to remember than bang. The reform that would render my writing meaningless is to provide the same level of aid by doing the whole process over again without including the final vowel.''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Not that we ''are'' restricting your right to say 'gismi' and be understood, as the final vowel is redundant and people will know you meant gismu, it is just that it is nonstandard. This is a Good Thing, as it also provides error-checking. When I wrote ''cuska'' in [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>Round two|round two]] of the [[Broken Phone|broken phone]] game, [[User:Pier.abat|Pierre]] knew I had screwed up. He also knew that it was equally likely to be cusku as ciska. He was right, typos do not conform to the morphology of the typoer's language unless they think in words (which I do not). So, under your proposal, ''ko'a cmala'' will be interpreted as ''ko'a is small'', when in fact it may very well be a typo of ''ko'a laughs''; in a world of perfect typosts you would be absolutely right but there is no such beast - even the best writer makes a mistake every once in a while. Do you want mistakes to be meaning-altering with this frequency? Or would you rather have the spell check notice that you would under your proposal have just said the opposite of what you meant? And do you really want to destroy the ''broda''-series?'</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Not that we ''are'' restricting your right to say 'gismi' and be understood, as the final vowel is redundant and people will know you meant gismu, it is just that it is nonstandard. This is a Good Thing, as it also provides error-checking. When I wrote ''cuska'' in [[Round two|round two]] of the [[Broken Phone|broken phone]] game, [[User:Pier.abat|Pierre]] knew I had screwed up. He also knew that it was equally likely to be cusku as ciska. He was right, typos do not conform to the morphology of the typoer's language unless they think in words (which I do not). So, under your proposal, ''ko'a cmala'' will be interpreted as ''ko'a is small'', when in fact it may very well be a typo of ''ko'a laughs''; in a world of perfect typosts you would be absolutely right but there is no such beast - even the best writer makes a mistake every once in a while. Do you want mistakes to be meaning-altering with this frequency? Or would you rather have the spell check notice that you would under your proposal have just said the opposite of what you meant? And do you really want to destroy the ''broda''-series?'</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Since you do not like to respond to more than the last sentence of my posts (in case you didn't bother to read this one either it is noted up above that you ignored most of my previous comment) I am hereby not adding any content whatsoever to this sentence, except to remind you that you ought to read the entirity of both posts because otherwise your next response will make you sound like an idiot. - mi'e. [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Since you do not like to respond to more than the last sentence of my posts (in case you didn't bother to read this one either it is noted up above that you ignored most of my previous comment) I am hereby not adding any content whatsoever to this sentence, except to remind you that you ought to read the entirity of both posts because otherwise your next response will make you sound like an idiot. - mi'e. [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]''</div></td></tr>
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</table>Glekihttps://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=gism&diff=90642&oldid=prevGleki: Text replace - "jbocre: ([a-z])" to "$1"2014-03-23T14:49:42Z<p>Text replace - "jbocre: ([a-z])" to "$1"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">832</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sip</del>|link=]] [http://vlasisku.lojban.org/ vlasisku] is an easy-to-use online Lojban <-> English dictionary. It is a convenient way to browse and search the definitions from the jbovlaste database. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Gnome-globe</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">svg</ins>|link=]] [http://vlasisku.lojban.org/ vlasisku] is an easy-to-use online Lojban <-> English dictionary. It is a convenient way to browse and search the definitions from the jbovlaste database. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:831.sip|link=]] [[File:829.sip|link=]] [[File:830.sip|link=]] [[File:828.sip|link=]] A [[GoldenDict]] distribution for lojban is available now. It has numerous dictionaries suitable for everyone. The best offline choice. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:831.sip|link=]] [[File:829.sip|link=]] [[File:830.sip|link=]] [[File:828.sip|link=]] A [[GoldenDict]] distribution for lojban is available now. It has numerous dictionaries suitable for everyone. The best offline choice. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:831.sip|link=]] [[File:829.sip|link=]] [[File:830.sip|link=]] [[File:828.sip|link=]] [http://fricukt.tiddlyspot.com/ fricukt] supports any operating system where Chrome, Firefox, Opera or Safari browser can run on. The list of supported devices includes iPads, most Android devices and Chromebooks. Download the app (which is in fact just a sophisticated web-page) using corresponding link there or use it online. Touchscreen-friendly. Also contains some useful tables of cmavo etc. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:831.sip|link=]] [[File:829.sip|link=]] [[File:830.sip|link=]] [[File:828.sip|link=]] [http://fricukt.tiddlyspot.com/ fricukt] supports any operating system where Chrome, Firefox, Opera or Safari browser can run on. The list of supported devices includes iPads, most Android devices and Chromebooks. Download the app (which is in fact just a sophisticated web-page) using corresponding link there or use it online. Touchscreen-friendly. Also contains some useful tables of cmavo etc. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=== Others ===</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=== Others ===</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">832</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sip</del>|link=]] If you have a dict client, you can set it to www.lojban.org, port 2628. Dict clients allow you to quickly look up the definition of a word. For Linux, try kdict or gdict (usually installed by default). For windows, have a look at [http://www.dict.org/links.html dict.org].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Gnome-globe</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">svg</ins>|link=]] If you have a dict client, you can set it to www.lojban.org, port 2628. Dict clients allow you to quickly look up the definition of a word. For Linux, try kdict or gdict (usually installed by default). For windows, have a look at [http://www.dict.org/links.html dict.org].</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:831.sip|link=]] [[File:829.sip|link=]] [http://developer.berlios.de/projects/sutfak/ Quick reference dictionary software]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:831.sip|link=]] [[File:829.sip|link=]] [http://developer.berlios.de/projects/sutfak/ Quick reference dictionary software]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">832</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sip</del>|link=]] you can also seach the [[jbocre: Word Lists|Word Lists]] using a text editor which might be useful for smartphones or tablets.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Gnome-globe</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">svg</ins>|link=]] you can also seach the [[jbocre: Word Lists|Word Lists]] using a text editor which might be useful for smartphones or tablets.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:831.sip|link=]] [[File:829.sip|link=]] [[File:830.sip|link=]] [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=802&amp;download=y here] are dictionary files suitable for [http://stardict.sourceforge.net/ Stardict]. The Stardict file format is also used by [http://www.socialnmobile.com/colordict.html ColorDict], a dictionary program for Android mobile devices.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:831.sip|link=]] [[File:829.sip|link=]] [[File:830.sip|link=]] [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=802&amp;download=y here] are dictionary files suitable for [http://stardict.sourceforge.net/ Stardict]. The Stardict file format is also used by [http://www.socialnmobile.com/colordict.html ColorDict], a dictionary program for Android mobile devices.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Glossers ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Glossers ==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">832</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sip</del>|link=]] [http://www.barsoom.net/lojban/gloss/masmuni.cgi macmavo] - A glossing program (using gci). ''doesn't look like it works -- mi'e.aleks.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Gnome-globe</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">svg</ins>|link=]] [http://www.barsoom.net/lojban/gloss/masmuni.cgi macmavo] - A glossing program (using gci). ''doesn't look like it works -- mi'e.aleks.''</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">832</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sip</del>|link=]] [http://hypermetrics.com/pikmin.html pikmin] - Another glossing program (using cgi).</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Gnome-globe</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">svg</ins>|link=]] [http://hypermetrics.com/pikmin.html pikmin] - Another glossing program (using cgi).</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Parsers ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Parsers ==</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** [http://mbays.freeshell.org/jvofendi-0.1.tgz another one] in C.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** [http://mbays.freeshell.org/jvofendi-0.1.tgz another one] in C.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** the ''de jure'' standard parser remains the dos version in the old Lojban files mentioned below.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** the ''de jure'' standard parser remains the dos version in the old Lojban files mentioned below.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**[[File:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">832</del>.sip|link=]] [http://www.lojban.org/jboski] - A web-based version of of [[jbocre: Richard Curnow|Richard Curnow]]'s [[jbocre: jbofihe|jbofihe]]; acts as a Lojban to English translator. Made by [[jbocre: Raphal Poss|Raphal Poss]], hosted at [http://www.lojban.org/].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**[[File:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Gnome-globe.svg|link=]] [http://www.lojban.org/jboski] - A web-based version of of [[jbocre: Richard Curnow|Richard Curnow]]'s [[jbocre: jbofihe|jbofihe]]; acts as a Lojban to English translator. Made by [[jbocre: Raphal Poss|Raphal Poss]], hosted at [http://www.lojban.org/].</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* [http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/lojban-ispell-hashfile.html ispell data files] - Data files to allow Lojban spell checking with ispell</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[File:Gnome-globe.svg|link=]] If you have a dict client, you can set it to www.lojban.org, port 2628. Dict clients allow you to quickly look up the definition of a word. For Linux, try kdict or gdict (usually installed by default). For windows, have a look at [http://www.dict.org/links.html dict.org].</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*http://ilmen.tk/lojban/camxes.html - [[User:Ilmen|Ilmen]]'s parser (official grammar)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*http://ilmen.tk/lojban/camxes.html - [[User:Ilmen|Ilmen]]'s parser (official grammar)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*http://ilmen.tk/lojban/camxes.html - [[User:Ilmen|Ilmen]]'s parser (official grammar)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[ilmentufa]] - [[User:Ilmen|Ilmen]]'s parser (experimental grammar)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">La Bangu: ilmentufa|</ins>ilmentufa]] - [[User:Ilmen|Ilmen]]'s parser (experimental grammar)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:829.sip|link=]] The [[jbocre: Official Parser|Official Parser]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:829.sip|link=]] The [[jbocre: Official Parser|Official Parser]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:831.sip|link=]] [[File:830.sip|link=]] [[File:829.sip|link=]] (Java) [[jbocre: camxes|camxes]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[File:831.sip|link=]] [[File:830.sip|link=]] [[File:829.sip|link=]] (Java) [[jbocre: camxes|camxes]]</div></td></tr>
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