https://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=email_copies_appreciated,_since_I_read_the_digest&feed=atom&action=historyemail copies appreciated, since I read the digest - Revision history2024-03-28T17:31:44ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.38.4https://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=email_copies_appreciated,_since_I_read_the_digest&diff=113257&oldid=prevGleki at 08:35, 4 May 20152015-05-04T08:35:24Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This is a phrase I use in closing my messages to the [[Lojban mailing list|Lojban mailing list]]. How to say it in Lojban?</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This is a phrase I use in closing my messages to the [[Lojban mailing list|Lojban mailing list]]. How to say it in Lojban?</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My first attempt is ''mi ckire fi lenu do benji .i'o le fukpi be lei te spuda be lei skami mrilu notci pe mi be'obe'o mi .iki'ubo mi tcidu lei notci se jmaji''. How's that? It seems rather verbose, but then the English original is an abbreviated form, probably of something along the lines of ''I'd appreciate it if you sent me copies of responses to my messages, since I read the digest form of the mailing list'' which is equally verbose. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne|pne</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**</ins>My first attempt is <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''mi ckire fi lenu do benji .i'o le fukpi be lei te spuda be lei skami mrilu notci pe mi be'obe'o mi .iki'ubo mi tcidu lei notci se jmaji<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''. How's that? It seems rather verbose, but then the English original is an abbreviated form, probably of something along the lines of ''I'd appreciate it if you sent me copies of responses to my messages, since I read the digest form of the mailing list'' which is equally verbose.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Context is all. We don't say to a railway clerk (this example is by Jespersen) "Please give me two third-class tickets with which I may travel to Brighton and then back here, and I will pay you the usual price for such tickets." <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-- </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">John Cowan WC</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">John Cowan WC</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**</ins>*Context is all. We don't say to a railway clerk (this example is by Jespersen) "Please give me two third-class tickets with which I may travel to Brighton and then back here, and I will pay you the usual price for such tickets."</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**</ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.greg.</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">greg.</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</del>i'o is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">definately </del>wrong, I'm not sure that ki'u is what you want, try mu'i. How about one of these? <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mi'e </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.greg.|greg.</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***'''</ins>i'o<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>is <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">definitely </ins>wrong, I'm not sure that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>ki'u<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>is what you want, try <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>mu'i<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>. How about one of these?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***</ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Why is ''i'o'' wrong? I was trying to show my appreciation for the sending by attaching ''i'o'' to ''benji''. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***</ins>*Why is <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''i'o<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' wrong? I was trying to show my appreciation for the sending by attaching <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''i'o<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''benji<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**Because ''i'o'' is used as an opposite of ''i'onai'' which definately means ''envy'' ; I can't figure out what ''i'o'' means but I fairly confident it does not apply to appreciation of what someone does for you (which is just another word for gratitude) <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.greg.</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">greg</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*****</ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.greg.</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">greg.</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****</ins>**Because <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''i'o<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' is used as an opposite of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''i'onai<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' which definately means ''envy'' ; I can't figure out what <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''i'o<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' means but I fairly confident it does not apply to appreciation of what someone does for you (which is just another word for gratitude)<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*And why is ''mu'i'' better than ''ki'u''? I figured on ''ki'u'' because I considered my reading the digest as a "reason" for others to send me email copies, rather than as "motivation" for them. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***</ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**Absolutely, but in your original, the main selbri was ''ckire'' and people sending you the digest would be a motive for you to be grateful. I F**** up in my versions where ''ku'i'' would have been correct. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.greg.|greg</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***</ins>*And why is <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''mu'i<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' better than <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ki'u<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''? I figured on <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ki'u<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' because I considered my reading the digest as a "reason" for others to send me email copies, rather than as "motivation" for them.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*What's the difference between ''...mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu...'' and ''...mi .imu'ibo mi te mrilu...''? <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****</ins>**Absolutely, but in your original, the main selbri was <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ckire<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' and people sending you the digest would be a motive for you to be grateful. I F**** up in my versions where ''ku'i'' would have been correct.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**The second is equivalent to ''li'o mi mu'i le du'u mi te mrilu li'o''; I'm not sure that an event can be a motive, I think I messed up again there. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--[[.greg.|greg]]</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***</ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''.e'o ko mrilu lo fukpi be le te spuda be'o mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu le se jmaji be lei notci''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*****</ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.greg.</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">greg</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****</ins>**The second is equivalent to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''li'o mi mu'i le du'u mi te mrilu li'o<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''; I'm not sure that an event can be a motive, I think I messed up again there.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*That looks nice. Why ''le te spuda'', though, rather than ''lei'' or ''loi''? (And I think I prefer ''notci se jmaji'' or ''notseljmaji'' to ''se jmaji be lei notci''.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">) --</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*'</ins>''.e'o ko mrilu lo fukpi be le te spuda be'o mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu le se jmaji be lei notci<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**From what I have understood, ''le brode cu broda'', where le brode refers to a number of individuals (say all the fo'a series), breaks down into ''fo'a .e fo'e .e fo'i .e fo'o .e fo'u cu broda'', which in turn is equivalent to ''fo'a cu broda .ije fo'e cu broda li'o''. On the other hand, lei brode cu broda breaks down into ''fo'a joi fo'e joi fo'i joi fo'o joi fo'u cu broda'' which is a relation which (usually) no longer holds for individual fo'Vs. Clearly, each reply is something which should be copied and sent to you. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mi</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">e [[.greg.|greg.]]</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**[[pne|pne]]:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**</ins>*That looks nice. Why <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''le te spuda<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', though, rather than <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''lei<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' or <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''loi<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''? (And I think I prefer <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''notci se jmaji<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' or <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''notseljmaji<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''se jmaji be lei notci''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">')</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''.e'o fukpi mrilu fi mi mu'i tu'a le notseljmaji''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****</ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.greg.</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">greg.</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***</ins>**From what I have understood, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''le brode cu broda<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', where <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>le brode<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>refers to a number of individuals (say all the fo'a series), breaks down into <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''fo'a .e fo'e .e fo'i .e fo'o .e fo'u cu broda<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', which in turn is equivalent to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''fo'a cu broda .ije fo'e cu broda li'o<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''. On the other hand, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>lei brode cu broda<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>breaks down into <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''fo'a joi fo'e joi fo'i joi fo'o joi fo'u cu broda<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' which is a relation which (usually) no longer holds for individual fo'Vs. Clearly, each reply is something which should be copied and sent to you.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Nice and short. How does ''tu'a'' work, though? <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne|pne</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*</ins>'''.e'o fukpi mrilu fi mi mu'i tu'a le notseljmaji<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** It stands in for an abstraction <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-</del>- probably <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>nu<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">} </del>-- in which <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{</del>le notseljmaji<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}</del>is the main sumti (whatever that means), "because of something having to do with the digest". Why <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">btw </del>is that reception called a digest when it is in fact an undigested lump? The Lojban is more accurate than the English. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pc</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**[[pne|pne]]:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**</ins>*Nice and short. How does <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''tu'a<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' work, though?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">because </del>one of the meanings of digest is 'compilation' (as in, 'a compilation of foo') <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--</del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Jay Kominek</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Jay</del>]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****</ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pc</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***</ins>**It stands in for an abstraction - probably <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>nu<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>-- in which <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>le notseljmaji<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>is the main sumti (whatever that means), "because of something having to do with the digest". Why <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">by the way </ins>is that reception called a digest when it is in fact an undigested lump? The Lojban is more accurate than the English.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>OK, I think I'm going with ''ko fukpi mrilu .i'o fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu loi notseljmaji'' for now. At least, until someone can convince me why ''.i'o'', ''ki'u'', ''du'u'', and/or ''loi'' (or anything else in the sentence) are wrong, with an explanation and a suggested replacement. (I think I'll also ask on the mailing list.) <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--mi'e </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.filip</del>.]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">******[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****Because </ins>one of the meanings of digest is 'compilation' (as in, 'a compilation of foo')<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Fine except for the ''i'o'' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-- [[.greg</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|greg.]]</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*</ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pne</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.filip.</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*And the fact that a mass of gatherings is a bit superfluous. I think it should be ''le notseljmaji''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**</ins>OK, I think I'm going with <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ko fukpi mrilu .i'o fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu loi notseljmaji<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' for now. At least, until someone can convince me why <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''.i'o<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''ki'u<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''du'u<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'', and/or <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>''loi<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</ins>'' (or anything else in the sentence) are wrong, with an explanation and a suggested replacement. (I think I'll also ask on the mailing list.) </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>.i'o is definately wrong, I'm not sure that ki'u is what you want, try mu'i. How about one of these? mi'e [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>.greg.|greg.]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>.i'o is definately wrong, I'm not sure that ki'u is what you want, try mu'i. How about one of these? mi'e [[.greg.|greg.]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Why is ''i'o'' wrong? I was trying to show my appreciation for the sending by attaching ''i'o'' to ''benji''. --[[pne|pne]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Why is ''i'o'' wrong? I was trying to show my appreciation for the sending by attaching ''i'o'' to ''benji''. --[[pne|pne]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**Because ''i'o'' is used as an opposite of ''i'onai'' which definately means ''envy'' ; I can't figure out what ''i'o'' means but I fairly confident it does not apply to appreciation of what someone does for you (which is just another word for gratitude) --[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>.greg.|greg]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**Because ''i'o'' is used as an opposite of ''i'onai'' which definately means ''envy'' ; I can't figure out what ''i'o'' means but I fairly confident it does not apply to appreciation of what someone does for you (which is just another word for gratitude) --[[.greg.|greg]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*And why is ''mu'i'' better than ''ki'u''? I figured on ''ki'u'' because I considered my reading the digest as a "reason" for others to send me email copies, rather than as "motivation" for them. --[[pne|pne]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*And why is ''mu'i'' better than ''ki'u''? I figured on ''ki'u'' because I considered my reading the digest as a "reason" for others to send me email copies, rather than as "motivation" for them. --[[pne|pne]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*What's the difference between ''...mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu...'' and ''...mi .imu'ibo mi te mrilu...''? --[[pne|pne]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*What's the difference between ''...mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu...'' and ''...mi .imu'ibo mi te mrilu...''? --[[pne|pne]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**The second is equivalent to ''li'o mi mu'i le du'u mi te mrilu li'o''; I'm not sure that an event can be a motive, I think I messed up again there. --[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>.greg.|greg]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**The second is equivalent to ''li'o mi mu'i le du'u mi te mrilu li'o''; I'm not sure that an event can be a motive, I think I messed up again there. --[[.greg.|greg]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''.e'o ko mrilu lo fukpi be le te spuda be'o mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu le se jmaji be lei notci''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''.e'o ko mrilu lo fukpi be le te spuda be'o mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu le se jmaji be lei notci''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*That looks nice. Why ''le te spuda'', though, rather than ''lei'' or ''loi''? (And I think I prefer ''notci se jmaji'' or ''notseljmaji'' to ''se jmaji be lei notci''.) --[[pne|pne]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*That looks nice. Why ''le te spuda'', though, rather than ''lei'' or ''loi''? (And I think I prefer ''notci se jmaji'' or ''notseljmaji'' to ''se jmaji be lei notci''.) --[[pne|pne]]</div></td></tr>
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</table>Glekihttps://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=email_copies_appreciated,_since_I_read_the_digest&diff=92402&oldid=prevGleki: Text replace - "jbocre: ([L-Z])" to "$1"2014-03-23T15:46:59Z<p>Text replace - "jbocre: ([L-Z])" to "$1"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Context is all. We don't say to a railway clerk (this example is by Jespersen) "Please give me two third-class tickets with which I may travel to Brighton and then back here, and I will pay you the usual price for such tickets." -- [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>John Cowan WC|John Cowan WC]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Context is all. We don't say to a railway clerk (this example is by Jespersen) "Please give me two third-class tickets with which I may travel to Brighton and then back here, and I will pay you the usual price for such tickets." -- [[John Cowan WC|John Cowan WC]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>OK, I think I'm going with ''ko fukpi mrilu .i'o fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu loi notseljmaji'' for now. At least, until someone can convince me why ''.i'o'', ''ki'u'', ''du'u'', and/or ''loi'' (or anything else in the sentence) are wrong, with an explanation and a suggested replacement. (I think I'll also ask on the mailing list.) --mi'e [[pne|.filip.]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>OK, I think I'm going with ''ko fukpi mrilu .i'o fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu loi notseljmaji'' for now. At least, until someone can convince me why ''.i'o'', ''ki'u'', ''du'u'', and/or ''loi'' (or anything else in the sentence) are wrong, with an explanation and a suggested replacement. (I think I'll also ask on the mailing list.) --mi'e [[pne|.filip.]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My first attempt is ''mi ckire fi lenu do benji .i'o le fukpi be lei te spuda be lei skami mrilu notci pe mi be'obe'o mi .iki'ubo mi tcidu lei notci se jmaji''. How's that? It seems rather verbose, but then the English original is an abbreviated form, probably of something along the lines of ''I'd appreciate it if you sent me copies of responses to my messages, since I read the digest form of the mailing list'' which is equally verbose. --[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>pne|pne]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My first attempt is ''mi ckire fi lenu do benji .i'o le fukpi be lei te spuda be lei skami mrilu notci pe mi be'obe'o mi .iki'ubo mi tcidu lei notci se jmaji''. How's that? It seems rather verbose, but then the English original is an abbreviated form, probably of something along the lines of ''I'd appreciate it if you sent me copies of responses to my messages, since I read the digest form of the mailing list'' which is equally verbose. --[[pne|pne]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Context is all. We don't say to a railway clerk (this example is by Jespersen) "Please give me two third-class tickets with which I may travel to Brighton and then back here, and I will pay you the usual price for such tickets." -- [[jbocre: John Cowan WC|John Cowan WC]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Context is all. We don't say to a railway clerk (this example is by Jespersen) "Please give me two third-class tickets with which I may travel to Brighton and then back here, and I will pay you the usual price for such tickets." -- [[jbocre: John Cowan WC|John Cowan WC]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Why is ''i'o'' wrong? I was trying to show my appreciation for the sending by attaching ''i'o'' to ''benji''. --[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>pne|pne]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Why is ''i'o'' wrong? I was trying to show my appreciation for the sending by attaching ''i'o'' to ''benji''. --[[pne|pne]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**Because ''i'o'' is used as an opposite of ''i'onai'' which definately means ''envy'' ; I can't figure out what ''i'o'' means but I fairly confident it does not apply to appreciation of what someone does for you (which is just another word for gratitude) --[[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**Because ''i'o'' is used as an opposite of ''i'onai'' which definately means ''envy'' ; I can't figure out what ''i'o'' means but I fairly confident it does not apply to appreciation of what someone does for you (which is just another word for gratitude) --[[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*And why is ''mu'i'' better than ''ki'u''? I figured on ''ki'u'' because I considered my reading the digest as a "reason" for others to send me email copies, rather than as "motivation" for them. --[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>pne|pne]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*And why is ''mu'i'' better than ''ki'u''? I figured on ''ki'u'' because I considered my reading the digest as a "reason" for others to send me email copies, rather than as "motivation" for them. --[[pne|pne]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**Absolutely, but in your original, the main selbri was ''ckire'' and people sending you the digest would be a motive for you to be grateful. I F**** up in my versions where ''ku'i'' would have been correct. --[[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**Absolutely, but in your original, the main selbri was ''ckire'' and people sending you the digest would be a motive for you to be grateful. I F**** up in my versions where ''ku'i'' would have been correct. --[[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*What's the difference between ''...mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu...'' and ''...mi .imu'ibo mi te mrilu...''? --[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>pne|pne]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*What's the difference between ''...mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu...'' and ''...mi .imu'ibo mi te mrilu...''? --[[pne|pne]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**The second is equivalent to ''li'o mi mu'i le du'u mi te mrilu li'o''; I'm not sure that an event can be a motive, I think I messed up again there. --[[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**The second is equivalent to ''li'o mi mu'i le du'u mi te mrilu li'o''; I'm not sure that an event can be a motive, I think I messed up again there. --[[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''.e'o ko mrilu lo fukpi be le te spuda be'o mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu le se jmaji be lei notci''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''.e'o ko mrilu lo fukpi be le te spuda be'o mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu le se jmaji be lei notci''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*That looks nice. Why ''le te spuda'', though, rather than ''lei'' or ''loi''? (And I think I prefer ''notci se jmaji'' or ''notseljmaji'' to ''se jmaji be lei notci''.) --[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>pne|pne]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*That looks nice. Why ''le te spuda'', though, rather than ''lei'' or ''loi''? (And I think I prefer ''notci se jmaji'' or ''notseljmaji'' to ''se jmaji be lei notci''.) --[[pne|pne]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**From what I have understood, ''le brode cu broda'', where le brode refers to a number of individuals (say all the fo'a series), breaks down into ''fo'a .e fo'e .e fo'i .e fo'o .e fo'u cu broda'', which in turn is equivalent to ''fo'a cu broda .ije fo'e cu broda li'o''. On the other hand, lei brode cu broda breaks down into ''fo'a joi fo'e joi fo'i joi fo'o joi fo'u cu broda'' which is a relation which (usually) no longer holds for individual fo'Vs. Clearly, each reply is something which should be copied and sent to you. mi'e [[jbocre: .greg.|greg.]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**From what I have understood, ''le brode cu broda'', where le brode refers to a number of individuals (say all the fo'a series), breaks down into ''fo'a .e fo'e .e fo'i .e fo'o .e fo'u cu broda'', which in turn is equivalent to ''fo'a cu broda .ije fo'e cu broda li'o''. On the other hand, lei brode cu broda breaks down into ''fo'a joi fo'e joi fo'i joi fo'o joi fo'u cu broda'' which is a relation which (usually) no longer holds for individual fo'Vs. Clearly, each reply is something which should be copied and sent to you. mi'e [[jbocre: .greg.|greg.]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''.e'o fukpi mrilu fi mi mu'i tu'a le notseljmaji''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''.e'o fukpi mrilu fi mi mu'i tu'a le notseljmaji''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Nice and short. How does ''tu'a'' work, though? --[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>pne|pne]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Nice and short. How does ''tu'a'' work, though? --[[pne|pne]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** It stands in for an abstraction -- probably {nu} -- in which {le notseljmaji}is the main sumti (whatever that means), "because of something having to do with the digest". Why btw is that reception called a digest when it is in fact an undigested lump? The Lojban is more accurate than the English. pc</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** It stands in for an abstraction -- probably {nu} -- in which {le notseljmaji}is the main sumti (whatever that means), "because of something having to do with the digest". Why btw is that reception called a digest when it is in fact an undigested lump? The Lojban is more accurate than the English. pc</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>OK, I think I'm going with ''ko fukpi mrilu .i'o fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu loi notseljmaji'' for now. At least, until someone can convince me why ''.i'o'', ''ki'u'', ''du'u'', and/or ''loi'' (or anything else in the sentence) are wrong, with an explanation and a suggested replacement. (I think I'll also ask on the mailing list.) --mi'e [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>pne|.filip.]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>OK, I think I'm going with ''ko fukpi mrilu .i'o fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu loi notseljmaji'' for now. At least, until someone can convince me why ''.i'o'', ''ki'u'', ''du'u'', and/or ''loi'' (or anything else in the sentence) are wrong, with an explanation and a suggested replacement. (I think I'll also ask on the mailing list.) --mi'e [[pne|.filip.]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">have been involved </del>in <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Loglan/</del>Lojban <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">since about 1978, on and off</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I was part of a group attempting </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">speak </del>it in <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Oxford in the late 70's, and one in Cambridge in the early 80's.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This is a phrase </ins>I <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">use </ins>in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">closing my messages to the [[jbocre: </ins>Lojban <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mailing list|Lojban mailing list]]</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">How </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">say </ins>it in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lojban?</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The period when Lojban separated from Loglan happened to </del>be <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">one of the times when I wasn</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t involved for a couple of years</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">so I missed out; </del>but <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">when I came back and found Lojban, I was annoyed at all </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">words I had to relearn (and a few old Loglan words still sometimes come unbidden when I'm looking for a Lojgan one)</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">but delighted with some </del>of the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">redesigns </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the grammar, particularly the unification </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">space/time/manner/cause phrases</del>, the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">unpicking </del>of the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">veridical/non</del>-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">veridical and mass/individual distinctions, and the imperative pronoun ko.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">My first attempt is ''mi ckire fi lenu do benji .i'o le fukpi be lei te spuda be lei skami mrilu notci pe mi </ins>be'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">obe'o mi .iki'ubo mi tcidu lei notci se jmaji''. How's that? It seems rather verbose</ins>, but <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">then </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">English original is an abbreviated form</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">probably </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">something along </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">lines </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''I'd appreciate it if you sent me copies </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">responses to my messages</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">since I read </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">digest form </ins>of the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mailing list'' which is equally verbose. </ins>-<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-[[jbocre: pne|pne]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Since </del>I <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">moved </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Bradford, in Yorkshire</del>, I <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">had a brief period speaking Lojban with Andrew Smith, but have done very little </del>for <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">several years</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* Context is all. We don't say to a railway clerk (this example is by Jespersen) "Please give me two third-class tickets with which </ins>I <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">may travel </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Brighton and then back here</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </ins>I <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">will pay you the usual price </ins>for <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">such tickets</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" -- [[jbocre: John Cowan WC|John Cowan WC]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">believe </del>that I <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">am responsible </del>for <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">complicating </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">grammar </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lojban </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">introduce preposed relative clauses </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">phrases </del>(le <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">poi </del>mi te <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">vecnu ku</del>'o <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">cukta</del>). <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">So sue me</del>. ''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Thank you</del>.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.i'o is definately wrong, </ins>I<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'m not sure </ins>that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ki'u is what you want, try mu'i. How about one of these? mi'e [[jbocre: .greg.|greg.]]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*Why is ''i'o'' wrong? </ins>I <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">was trying to show my appreciation </ins>for the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sending by attaching ''i'o'' to ''benji''. --[[jbocre: pne|pne]]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**Because ''i'o'' is used as an opposite of ''i'onai'' which definately means ''envy'' ; I can't figure out what ''i'o'' means but I fairly confident it does not apply to appreciation of what someone does for you (which is just another word for gratitude) --[[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*And why is ''mu'i'' better than ''ki'u''? I figured on ''ki'u'' because I considered my reading the digest as a "reason" for others to send me email copies, rather than as "motivation" for them. --[[jbocre: pne|pne]]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**Absolutely, but in your original, the main selbri was ''ckire'' and people sending you the digest would be a motive for you to be grateful. I F**** up in my versions where ''ku'i'' would have been correct. --[[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*What's the difference between ''...mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu...'' and ''...mi .imu'ibo mi te mrilu...''? --[[jbocre: pne|pne]]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**The second is equivalent to ''li'o mi mu'i le du'u mi te mrilu li'o''; I'm not sure that an event can be a motive, I think I messed up again there. --[[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''.e'o ko mrilu lo fukpi be le te spuda be'o mi mu'i lenu mi te mrilu le se jmaji be lei notci''</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*That looks nice. Why ''le te spuda'', though, rather than ''lei'' or ''loi''? (And I think I prefer ''notci se jmaji'' or ''notseljmaji'' to ''se jmaji be lei notci''.) --[[jbocre: pne|pne]]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**From what I have understood, ''le brode cu broda'', where le brode refers to a number </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">individuals (say all the fo'a series), breaks down into ''fo'a .e fo'e .e fo'i .e fo'o .e fo'u cu broda'', which in turn is equivalent to ''fo'a cu broda .ije fo'e cu broda li'o''. On the other hand, lei brode cu broda breaks down into ''fo'a joi fo'e joi fo'i joi fo'o joi fo'u cu broda'' which is a relation which (usually) no longer holds for individual fo'Vs. Clearly, each reply is something which should be copied and sent </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">you. mi'e [[jbocre: .greg.|greg.]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''.e'o fukpi mrilu fi mi mu'i tu'a le notseljmaji''</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*Nice </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">short. How does ''tu'a'' work, though? --[[jbocre: pne|pne]]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">** It stands in for an abstraction -- probably {nu} -- in which {le notseljmaji}is the main sumti (whatever that means), "because of something having to do with the digest". Why btw is that reception called a digest when it is in fact an undigested lump? The Lojban is more accurate than the English. pc</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*** because one of the meanings of digest is 'compilation' </ins>(<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">as in, 'a compilation of foo') --[[jbocre: Jay Kominek|Jay]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">OK, I think I'm going with ''ko fukpi mrilu .i'o fi mi ki'u </ins>le <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">du'u </ins>mi te <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mrilu loi notseljmaji'' for now. At least, until someone can convince me why ''.i</ins>'o<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'', ''ki'u'', ''du'u'', and/or ''loi'' (or anything else in the sentence) are wrong, with an explanation and a suggested replacement. (I think I'll also ask on the mailing list.</ins>) <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--mi'e [[jbocre: pne|</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">filip</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*Fine except for the ''i'o</ins>'' <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-- [[jbocre: .greg.|greg.]]</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Glekihttps://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=email_copies_appreciated,_since_I_read_the_digest&diff=64247&oldid=prevGleki at 16:45, 4 November 20132013-11-04T16:45:44Z<p></p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div><br />
I have been involved in Loglan/Lojban since about 1978, on and off. I was part of a group attempting to speak it in Oxford in the late 70's, and one in Cambridge in the early 80's.<br />
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The period when Lojban separated from Loglan happened to be one of the times when I wasn't involved for a couple of years, so I missed out; but when I came back and found Lojban, I was annoyed at all the words I had to relearn (and a few old Loglan words still sometimes come unbidden when I'm looking for a Lojgan one), but delighted with some of the redesigns of the grammar, particularly the unification of space/time/manner/cause phrases, the unpicking of the veridical/non-veridical and mass/individual distinctions, and the imperative pronoun ko.<br />
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Since I moved to Bradford, in Yorkshire, I had a brief period speaking Lojban with Andrew Smith, but have done very little for several years.<br />
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I believe that I am responsible for complicating the grammar of Lojban to introduce preposed relative clauses and phrases (le poi mi te vecnu ku'o cukta). So sue me. ''Thank you.''</div>Gleki