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If pluja valsi (lujvo form would be lujvla) becomes ''lujvo'', and cmalu valsi (lujvo form would be cmavla) becomes ''cmavo'', then why doesn't bridi valsi (lujvo form ''is'' brivla) become ''brivo''?
See also [[jbocre: Obsolete experimental cmavo|Obsolete experimental cmavo]].


''Apparently the word was created after they got proper religion and no longer created lujvoid gismu.''
For conciseness, some series of cmavo have been condensed into one entry. In these, ''V'' represents the last vowel of the cmavo, and ''N'' represents the number in the series (a=1 ... u=5).


Maybe some real hardasses will stop using those terms and use the lujvla instead...
(Incidentally, I'd like to ask whoever's proposing these to perhaps let this space be used for new constructs, not just single-word abbreviations for 2-4 other words.) -- [[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]


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* feel free to add links to new pages that subdivide the experimentals into 'new constructs' vs 'abbreviatory'. But this list is a catalogue of all experimental cmavo not declared obsolete by their proposer. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]


;'''brivo''' predicate-word: x1 [[jbocre: zo|zo]] is a predicate-word expressing relationship x2 among arguments x3
||'''[[jbocre: a'a'a|a'a'a]]'''|UI|Please repeat; I couldn't parse
 
'''[[jbocre: ba'oi|ba'oi]]''' OI|possible futures ROI: "p (= bridi) in PA possible future worlds (sharing same past as q) in which q (= sumti tagged by ba'oi)": (cf. mu'ei): (proposed by [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]])
 
'''[[jbocre: bei'e|bei'e]]'''|MAI|Placed as an evidential. The number added to the front is the decibels of logarithmic Bayesian probability the speaker assigns to the word or phrase that the {bei'e} refers to.
 
'''[[jbocre: bi'ai|bi'ai]]'''|CAhA|must be: modal aspect: necesary attribute
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics oi'a...boi'u|Experimental anaphorics oi'a...boi'u]]'''|KEI|interpreted as if ''cei brodV'' were assigned to terminated bridi
 
'''bua'a'a'''|UI|Before I kill you I will explain my master plan
 
'''[[jbocre: ''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a'' a'ai|''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a'' a'ai]]'''|CAhA|"in This World is": (equivalent to but preferable to ''nau'a''). This may be the same as a simple ''[[jbocre: CAhA as sumtcita a'a|CAhA as sumtcita a'a]]'' --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
 
'''[[jbocre: ci'oi|ci'oi]]''' OI|Psychomimes. Narrower term than [[jbocre: tai'i|tai'i]]. (cp [[BPFK Section: Case sumtcita i'o]], cinmo.) (proposed by [[jbocre: tijlan|tijlan]].)
 
'''[[jbocre: da'ai|da'ai]]'''|LA|yields sumti functioning as da-series KOhA. (proposed by AndR)
 
'''[[jbocre: da'au|da'au]]'''|NA|bridi tautology: bridi tautology marker; transforms an entire bridi into a tautology
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics au'au|Experimental anaphorics au'au]]'''|NU|interpreted as if ''du'au ce'u''
 
'''[[jbocre: du'au|du'au]]'''|NU|x1 is a (true?) completion to incomplete proposition expressed by bridi within the abstraction
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental FA ai'a...fai'u|Experimental FA ai'a...fai'u]]'''|FA|tags sumti that is ur-x''N'' (before SE conversion). [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics au'a...fau'u|Experimental anaphorics au'a...fau'u]]'''|ZOhU|interpreted as if ''ce'u goi fo'V zo'u'' if following ''ka'' or ''du'au'' and as if ''ke'a goi fo'V zo'u'' if following ''poi, noi, voi'' or ''poi'i''.
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics ei'a...fei'u|Experimental anaphorics ei'a...fei'u]]'''|KU|interpreted as if ''ku goi fo'V''
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics oi'a...foi'u|Experimental anaphorics oi'a...foi'u]]'''|KOhA|adnex-bound pro-sumti
 
'''[[jbocre: goi'a|goi'a]]'''|GOI|disambiguates goi's meaning.
 
'''[[jbocre: ja'ai|ja'ai]]''' AI|affirm last word: attached to cmavo to affirm them; denies negation by nai whenever it is applicable.: [[jbocre: Proposed by Mark Shoulson. (mi'e [jbocre: And|And]])]
 
'''[[jbocre: jai'a And n|nai'a]]'''|NA|unequivocally true
 
'''[[jbocre: ja'u|ja'u]]'''|BAI|as shown by: jarco modal, 1st place, as shown by...
 
'''[[jbocre: ''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a'' a'ei|''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a'' a'ei]]'''|CAhA|"in some world is": (equivalent to ''su'o mu'ei'') --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics ai'a|Experimental anaphorics ai'a]]'''|NU|interpreted as if ''ka ce'u''
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics au'a...kau'u|Experimental anaphorics au'a...kau'u]]'''|ZOhU|interpreted as if ''ce'u goi ko'V zo'u'' if following ''ka'' or ''du'au'' and as if ''ke'a goi ko'V zo'u'' if following ''poi, noi, voi'' or ''poi'i''.
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics ei'a...kei'u|Experimental anaphorics ei'a...kei'u]]'''|KU|interpreted as if ''ku goi ko'V''
 
'''[[jbocre: ki'ai|ki'ai]]''' OI|ejaculative ("damn! shit! bah! yowie!"): (cp krixa, ki'a-): (proposed by [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]])
 
'''[[jbocre: ko'ai|ko'ai]]'''|LA|yields sumti functioning as ko'a-series KOhA: (proposed by AndR)
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics oi'a...koi'u|Experimental anaphorics oi'a...koi'u]]'''|KOhA|adnex-bound pro-sumti
 
'''[[jbocre: ko'oi|ko'oi]]'''|UI|Discursive: imperative. Broader term than au, a'o, e'o, e'u, e'a, ei. "ko" is a short form of "do ko'oi". (proposed by guskant)
 
'''[[jbocre: An essay on gadri a'ei|An essay on gadri a'ei]]'''|LA|lo : loi: lo'e :: le : lei : le'e :: la : lai : la'ei
 
'''[[jbocre: experimental gadri au'a|experimental gadri au'a]]'''|LE|''(ro) lau'a broda = ro lu'a lo klesi be lo'i broda''
 
'''[[jbocre: An essay on gadri au'e|An essay on gadri au'e]]'''|LE|''lau'e broda = lo'e ro lu'a lo klesi be lo'i broda''
 
'''[[jbocre: experimental gadri au'i|experimental gadri au'i]]'''|LE|''lau'i broda = lo klesi be lo'i broda''
 
'''[[jbocre: experimental gadri au'o|experimental gadri au'o]]'''|LE|''(pi ro) lau'o broda = (pi ro) lu'o (ro lu'a) lo klesi be lo'i broda''
 
'''[[jbocre: le'ai|le'ai]]'''|LEhAI|Replace recently uttered text
 
'''[[jbocre: le'ei|le'ei]]''' E|Intensional e-gadri [[jbocre: candidate meaning for ''le'e''|candidate meaning for ''le'e'']]
 
'''[[jbocre: experimental gadri ei'e|experimental gadri ei'e]]'''|LE|Singularizing e-gadri [[jbocre: candidate meaning for ''le'e''|candidate meaning for ''le'e'']]
 
'''[[jbocre: le'ai o'ai|le'ai o'ai]]'''|LOhAI|Begin quote of recently uttered text to be replaced
 
'''[[jbocre: lo'ei|lo'ei]]''' E|Intensional o-gadri [[jbocre: candidate meaning for ''lo'e''|candidate meaning for ''lo'e'']]
 
'''[[jbocre: experimental gadri oi'e|experimental gadri oi'e]]'''|LE|Singularizing o-gadri [[jbocre: candidate meaning for ''lo'e''|candidate meaning for ''lo'e'']]
 
'''[[jbocre: mu'ei|mu'ei]]'''|ROI|possible worlds ROI: "p (= bridi) in PA possible worlds in which q (= sumti tagged by mu'ei)": (cp. {munje, mu'e-}): (proposed by AndR)
 
'''[[jbocre: jai'a And n|nai'a]]'''|NA|unequivocally false
 
'''[[jbocre: ''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a'' au'a|''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a'' au'a]]'''|CAhA|"in This World is": (but ''ca'ai'' is equivalent and better) --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
 
'''[[jbocre: nei'i|nei'i]]''' OhA|current phrase: -- like ''nei'', but not restricted to bridi ([[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]])
 
'''[[jbocre: no'au|no'au]]''' OhA|next outer phrase: -- like ''no'a'', but not restricted to bridi ([[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]])
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics oi'a|Experimental anaphorics oi'a]]'''|NOI|interpreted as if ''noi ke'a''
 
'''[[jbocre: ''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a'' u'oi|''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a'' u'oi]]'''|CAhA|"in some world but not This World is": (equivalent to but preferable to ''na'e nau'a'' or ''nau'a nai'') --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics i'a|Experimental anaphorics i'a]]'''|I|interpreted as if ''i la'e di'u''
 
'''[[jbocre: experimental gadri a'ei|experimental gadri a'ei]]'''|LE|= ''da poi ke'a du le(i)'e broda a lo(i)'e broda a le du ku voi ke'a du lo(i)'e broda''
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics oi'a|Experimental anaphorics oi'a]]'''|NOI|interpreted as if ''poi ke'a''
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics oi'ai|Experimental anaphorics oi'ai]]'''|NU|interpreted as if ''poi'i ke'a''
 
'''[[jbocre: poi'i|poi'i]]''' U|x1 is such that poi'i abstraction is true; x1 binds ''ke'a'' within the abstraction. [[jbocre: proposed by [User:And Rosta|AndR]] Arguably can be abandoned in favour of ''se ka''. See [[jbocre: poi'i iscussion|poi'i iscussion]]. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
 
'''[[jbocre: ru'ai|ru'ai]]''' OhA|alternative form for ''[[jbocre: xai|xai]]'' that doesn't use up a monosyllabic cmavo. (proposed by [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]].)
 
'''[[jbocre: le'ai a'ai|le'ai a'ai]]'''|SAhAI|Begin quote of replacement for recently uttered text
 
'''[[jbocre: sa'ei|sa'ei]]''' OI|expressive/ideophone ("kapow! kerrang!"): (cp sance): (proposed by [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]].)
 
'''[[jbocre: sei'a|sei'a]]''' EI|''sei'a X'' sets in force, over text within its scope, nonstandard interpretive conventions specified by X. [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
 
'''[[jbocre: sei'u|sei'u]]''' I|evidential UI, "seemingly, apparently" (< ''simlu'') (< [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]])
 
'''[[jbocre: si'ei|si'ei]]''' I|repetition: the following word is the same as the preceding word (proposed by [[User:tsali|tsali]])
 
'''[[jbocre: tai'i|tai'i]]''' OI|Phenomimes. Broader term than [[jbocre: ci'oi|ci'oi]] and [[jbocre: sa'ei|sa'ei]]. (cp [[BPFK Section: Epistemology sumtcita ai]], tamsmi.) (proposed by [[jbocre: tijlan|tijlan]].)
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics au'a...vau'u|Experimental anaphorics au'a...vau'u]]'''|VAU|interpreted as if ''cei brodV'' were assigned to terminated bridi
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics oi'a|Experimental anaphorics oi'a]]'''|NOI|interpreted as if ''voi ke'a''
 
'''[[jbocre: xa'o|xa'o]]'''|ZAhO|opposite of za'o: event contour: refers to the portion of the event which occurs before the natural beginning; starting too early before ...; <---- |  '''[[jbocre: xai|xai]]'''|KOhA|they. Repeats two or more preceding sumti, as ''ra'' repeats one. (proposed by [[jbocre: Pierre Abbat|Pierre Abbat]])
 
'''[[jbocre: xei|xei]]'''|PA|hex digit E: (because ''rei'' is too close to ''re'', while all other numbers are very audibly distinct)
 
'''[[jbocre: xe'e|xe'e]]'''|GOI|modal phrase: modal relative phrase marker; attaches sumti modally
 
'''[[jbocre: xe'i|xe'i]]'''|???|ago: tense; tags the time interval from or to the reference point
 
'''[[jbocre: xi'e|xi'e]]'''|???|non-veridical tense/modal connective:
 
'''[[jbocre: xi'i|xi'i]]''' IhI|[[jbocre: Elidable terminator|Elidable terminator]] for xi: removes the ambiguity in multiple subscripts.
 
'''[[jbocre: xi'i2]]'''|???|narrative connective
 
'''[[jbocre: xi'i3]]'''|XI|extent of truth
 
'''[[jbocre: xo'a|xo'a]]'''|XOhA|Loglan toggle: Toggles text to TLI Loglan; marks following text as TLI Loglan; Lojban equivalent of experimental Loglan "hoa" (which toggles text to Lojban)
 
'''[[jbocre: xoi'a|xoi'a]]'''|PU|monotonic increase tense; "increasing linearly over time"
 
'''[[jbocre: xoi'e|xoi'e]]'''|PU|exponential increase tense
 
'''[[jbocre: zei'a|zei'a]]''' A|(< ''zenba'') following string of digits counts upwards from the units. E.g. ''zei'a pa re ci vo'' = 4,321. (< [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]])
 
'''[[jbocre: Experimental anaphorics o'au|Experimental anaphorics o'au]]'''|KOhA|begin postnex||
 
== Other proposals and questions about cmavo that we might need ==
 
*[[jbocre: A Cmavo for Unspecific Previously-Uttered Bridi|A Cmavo for Unspecific Previously-Uttered Bridi]]
 
== Addendum by John: ==
 
[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]'s current view of some of these cmavo:
 
;:Some of my proposals, such as {sa'ei} are merely useful (in the Swiss army knife sense) rather than indispensable. Those that are very useful and lack any clear intrabaseline alternative are mu'ei, ba'oi, ca'ai, ka'ei, nu'oi.
 
*For the meaning of "lack any clear intrabaseline alternative", see [[jbocre: Criteria for evaluating experimental cmavo|Criteria for evaluating experimental cmavo]]. --[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]

Revision as of 16:46, 4 November 2013

See also Obsolete experimental cmavo.

For conciseness, some series of cmavo have been condensed into one entry. In these, V represents the last vowel of the cmavo, and N represents the number in the series (a=1 ... u=5).

(Incidentally, I'd like to ask whoever's proposing these to perhaps let this space be used for new constructs, not just single-word abbreviations for 2-4 other words.) -- rab.spir

  • feel free to add links to new pages that subdivide the experimentals into 'new constructs' vs 'abbreviatory'. But this list is a catalogue of all experimental cmavo not declared obsolete by their proposer. --And Rosta

||a'a'a|UI|Please repeat; I couldn't parse

ba'oi OI|possible futures ROI: "p (= bridi) in PA possible future worlds (sharing same past as q) in which q (= sumti tagged by ba'oi)": (cf. mu'ei): (proposed by And Rosta)

bei'e|MAI|Placed as an evidential. The number added to the front is the decibels of logarithmic Bayesian probability the speaker assigns to the word or phrase that the {bei'e} refers to.

bi'ai|CAhA|must be: modal aspect: necesary attribute

Experimental anaphorics oi'a...boi'u|KEI|interpreted as if cei brodV were assigned to terminated bridi

bua'a'a|UI|Before I kill you I will explain my master plan

ca'ai, ka'ei and nu'oi', and nau'a a'ai|CAhA|"in This World is": (equivalent to but preferable to nau'a). This may be the same as a simple CAhA as sumtcita a'a --And Rosta

ci'oi OI|Psychomimes. Narrower term than tai'i. (cp BPFK Section: Case sumtcita i'o, cinmo.) (proposed by tijlan.)

da'ai|LA|yields sumti functioning as da-series KOhA. (proposed by AndR)

da'au|NA|bridi tautology: bridi tautology marker; transforms an entire bridi into a tautology

Experimental anaphorics au'au|NU|interpreted as if du'au ce'u

du'au|NU|x1 is a (true?) completion to incomplete proposition expressed by bridi within the abstraction

Experimental FA ai'a...fai'u|FA|tags sumti that is ur-xN (before SE conversion). And Rosta

Experimental anaphorics au'a...fau'u|ZOhU|interpreted as if ce'u goi fo'V zo'u if following ka or du'au and as if ke'a goi fo'V zo'u if following poi, noi, voi or poi'i.

Experimental anaphorics ei'a...fei'u|KU|interpreted as if ku goi fo'V

Experimental anaphorics oi'a...foi'u|KOhA|adnex-bound pro-sumti

goi'a|GOI|disambiguates goi's meaning.

ja'ai AI|affirm last word: attached to cmavo to affirm them; denies negation by nai whenever it is applicable.: [[jbocre: Proposed by Mark Shoulson. (mi'e [jbocre: And|And]])]

nai'a|NA|unequivocally true

ja'u|BAI|as shown by: jarco modal, 1st place, as shown by...

ca'ai, ka'ei and nu'oi', and nau'a a'ei|CAhA|"in some world is": (equivalent to su'o mu'ei) --And Rosta

Experimental anaphorics ai'a|NU|interpreted as if ka ce'u

Experimental anaphorics au'a...kau'u|ZOhU|interpreted as if ce'u goi ko'V zo'u if following ka or du'au and as if ke'a goi ko'V zo'u if following poi, noi, voi or poi'i.

Experimental anaphorics ei'a...kei'u|KU|interpreted as if ku goi ko'V

ki'ai OI|ejaculative ("damn! shit! bah! yowie!"): (cp krixa, ki'a-): (proposed by And Rosta)

ko'ai|LA|yields sumti functioning as ko'a-series KOhA: (proposed by AndR)

Experimental anaphorics oi'a...koi'u|KOhA|adnex-bound pro-sumti

ko'oi|UI|Discursive: imperative. Broader term than au, a'o, e'o, e'u, e'a, ei. "ko" is a short form of "do ko'oi". (proposed by guskant)

An essay on gadri a'ei|LA|lo : loi: lo'e :: le : lei : le'e :: la : lai : la'ei

experimental gadri au'a|LE|(ro) lau'a broda = ro lu'a lo klesi be lo'i broda

An essay on gadri au'e|LE|lau'e broda = lo'e ro lu'a lo klesi be lo'i broda

experimental gadri au'i|LE|lau'i broda = lo klesi be lo'i broda

experimental gadri au'o|LE|(pi ro) lau'o broda = (pi ro) lu'o (ro lu'a) lo klesi be lo'i broda

le'ai|LEhAI|Replace recently uttered text

le'ei E|Intensional e-gadri candidate meaning for le'e

experimental gadri ei'e|LE|Singularizing e-gadri candidate meaning for le'e

le'ai o'ai|LOhAI|Begin quote of recently uttered text to be replaced

lo'ei E|Intensional o-gadri candidate meaning for lo'e

experimental gadri oi'e|LE|Singularizing o-gadri candidate meaning for lo'e

mu'ei|ROI|possible worlds ROI: "p (= bridi) in PA possible worlds in which q (= sumti tagged by mu'ei)": (cp. {munje, mu'e-}): (proposed by AndR)

nai'a|NA|unequivocally false

ca'ai, ka'ei and nu'oi', and nau'a au'a|CAhA|"in This World is": (but ca'ai is equivalent and better) --And Rosta

nei'i OhA|current phrase: -- like nei, but not restricted to bridi (And Rosta)

no'au OhA|next outer phrase: -- like no'a, but not restricted to bridi (And Rosta)

Experimental anaphorics oi'a|NOI|interpreted as if noi ke'a

ca'ai, ka'ei and nu'oi', and nau'a u'oi|CAhA|"in some world but not This World is": (equivalent to but preferable to na'e nau'a or nau'a nai) --And Rosta

Experimental anaphorics i'a|I|interpreted as if i la'e di'u

experimental gadri a'ei|LE|= da poi ke'a du le(i)'e broda a lo(i)'e broda a le du ku voi ke'a du lo(i)'e broda

Experimental anaphorics oi'a|NOI|interpreted as if poi ke'a

Experimental anaphorics oi'ai|NU|interpreted as if poi'i ke'a

poi'i U|x1 is such that poi'i abstraction is true; x1 binds ke'a within the abstraction. [[jbocre: proposed by [User:And Rosta|AndR]] Arguably can be abandoned in favour of se ka. See poi'i iscussion. --And Rosta

ru'ai OhA|alternative form for xai that doesn't use up a monosyllabic cmavo. (proposed by And Rosta.)

le'ai a'ai|SAhAI|Begin quote of replacement for recently uttered text

sa'ei OI|expressive/ideophone ("kapow! kerrang!"): (cp sance): (proposed by And Rosta.)

sei'a EI|sei'a X sets in force, over text within its scope, nonstandard interpretive conventions specified by X. And Rosta

sei'u I|evidential UI, "seemingly, apparently" (< simlu) (< And Rosta)

si'ei I|repetition: the following word is the same as the preceding word (proposed by tsali)

tai'i OI|Phenomimes. Broader term than ci'oi and sa'ei. (cp BPFK Section: Epistemology sumtcita ai, tamsmi.) (proposed by tijlan.)

Experimental anaphorics au'a...vau'u|VAU|interpreted as if cei brodV were assigned to terminated bridi

Experimental anaphorics oi'a|NOI|interpreted as if voi ke'a

xa'o|ZAhO|opposite of za'o: event contour: refers to the portion of the event which occurs before the natural beginning; starting too early before ...; <---- | xai|KOhA|they. Repeats two or more preceding sumti, as ra repeats one. (proposed by Pierre Abbat)

xei|PA|hex digit E: (because rei is too close to re, while all other numbers are very audibly distinct)

xe'e|GOI|modal phrase: modal relative phrase marker; attaches sumti modally

xe'i|???|ago: tense; tags the time interval from or to the reference point

xi'e|???|non-veridical tense/modal connective:

xi'i IhI|Elidable terminator for xi: removes the ambiguity in multiple subscripts.

jbocre: xi'i2|???|narrative connective

jbocre: xi'i3|XI|extent of truth

xo'a|XOhA|Loglan toggle: Toggles text to TLI Loglan; marks following text as TLI Loglan; Lojban equivalent of experimental Loglan "hoa" (which toggles text to Lojban)

xoi'a|PU|monotonic increase tense; "increasing linearly over time"

xoi'e|PU|exponential increase tense

zei'a A|(< zenba) following string of digits counts upwards from the units. E.g. zei'a pa re ci vo = 4,321. (< And Rosta)

Experimental anaphorics o'au|KOhA|begin postnex||

Other proposals and questions about cmavo that we might need

Addendum by John:

And Rosta's current view of some of these cmavo:

Some of my proposals, such as {sa'ei} are merely useful (in the Swiss army knife sense) rather than indispensable. Those that are very useful and lack any clear intrabaseline alternative are mu'ei, ba'oi, ca'ai, ka'ei, nu'oi.