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==  Proposed Definitions And Examples ==
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In Lojbanistan, [[jbocre: Loglan|Loglan]] is variously thought to be "naive", "crude", or even "moribund". But with the death of the Founder, and now that of its leading writer, perhaps we will begin to see it as an endangered language worth preserving; and use of its words will begin to have a nostalgic feel...
  
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=== fu'u (VUhU0) ===
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I partly agree with the "na�vete" part of your description. But to me, the feeling of the Loglan language is more one of simplicity (''ka sampu'', not ''ka frili''), pureness, perhaps even serenity.  Of course, that's entirely subjective, and only the way ''I'' see it. --mi'e [[User:tsali|tsali]]
  
====  Proposed definition ====
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An elliptical/unspecified mathematical operator. This is semantic analogue of {zo'e}, {co'e}
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.i .e'a roda frati fi zo'e pe da .i ku'i lesi'o lojbo ralju (to zoigy. ''Lojban Chauvinism'' gy.toi) cu tcaci nibli ledu'u xebni le dzena .iepei .i ji'a leka panpi poi do ckajygau fi la dzejbo cu pe'i jalge lenu do lifri loi nundarlu befi le stura be la dzejbo na.e la lojban. po'o .i lo morsi cu me le'e panpi -- mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
  
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* unspecified operator
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Loglan is just another language community like ours. Besides, if we copy all their words as [[jbocre: loglo fu'ivla|loglo fu'ivla]] we hasten their death - they become assimilated into [[jbocre: Lojbanistan|Lojbanistan]]. We chose to speak lojban. We didn't choose our native language, but if we had and had wanted to preserve a dying language, the right thing to do is pick that one, not to grow up speaking English or whatever and then stroke the dying languages of the world saying "Poor baby." Don't turn loglan into a subset of lojban, either a) become a loglanist (yes, you can be both!) or b) don't worry about it, it was only ever as much a living language as any other [[jbocre: conlang|conlang]] besides [[jbocre: Esperanto|Esperanto]], which has native speakers. - [[jbocre: .kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]
 
 
====  Examples of ''fu'u'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li pa fu'u pa du li re: 1 'something' 1 is 2
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  ge'a (VUhU0) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
A null operator, in the sense that it returns all its arguments unchanged. Used as syntactic glue in poly-ary operators, such as to pass three arguments to a ternary operator in infix notation.
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* null operator
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
 
 
* {tu'o} Null operand
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''ge'a'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;papano bi'eju'u re gei pipanopano bi'eju'u re ge'a re: .1010 (base 2) × 2 ~94~ 110 (base 2) (CLL, 18.14.4)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  fe'i (VUhU1) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The n-ary operation of division. Divides the first argument by all subsequent ones in a left associative manner: x1 / x2 / x3 ...
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* Division
 
* Divides
 
 
 
====  Notes ====
 
 
 
* The operands of ''fe'i'' are numbers, and a ''fe'i'' expression evaluates to a number.
 
* When ''fe'i'' has only one operand, it is the identity function.
 
 
 
* Distinct from the fraction slash {fi'u} in that it is an operator (and not of selma'o PA).
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''fe'i'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li na'u tanjo te'u vei pai fe'i vo [[jbocre: ve'o|ve'o]] du li pa: tan( pi / 4 ) = 1 (CLL, variation of 18.18.1)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  pi'i (VUhU1) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The n-ary operation of multiplication. Multiplies all the arguments together in a left associative manner: x1 * x2 * x3 ...
 
 
 
====  Proposed keywords ====
 
 
 
* multiplication
 
* multiply
 
 
 
* times
 
 
 
====  Notes ====
 
 
 
* When reducing a ''pi'i'' expression from left to right, the types of the two operands considered at each point must together take one of the following forms:
 
** number and number -- standard mathematical multiplication; evalutes to a number
 
 
 
** number and matrix ''or'' matrix and number -- scaling the elements of a matrix by a factor; evaluates to a matrix
 
** number and array of numbers ''or'' array of numbers and number -- scaling the elements of an array by a factor; evaluates to an array of numbers
 
 
 
** matrix and matrix -- standard matrix multiplication; the number of columns in the first matrix must equal the number of rows in the right matrix, otherwise the result is undefined; evaluates to a matrix
 
** matrix and array of numbers -- The operator ''sa'i'' is implicitly applied to the array, and the expression is then evaluated as a matrix-matrix multiplication, yielding a one-column matrix that is then implicitly converted to an array of the numbers in its column.
 
 
 
* When ''pi'i'' has only one operand, it is the identity function.
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''pi'i'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li ci su'i vo pi'i mu du li cimu: 3 + 4 × 5 = 35 (CLL, 18.5.8)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  su'i (VUhU1) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The n-ary operation of addition. Adds all the arguments together in a left associative manner: x1 + x2 + x3 ...
 
 
 
====  Proposed keywords ====
 
 
 
* plus
 
* add
 
 
 
* addition
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
 
 
* {ma'u}
 
 
 
====  Notes ====
 
 
 
* {su'i} is the operation of addition, addition from the plus sign that indicates a positive number {ma'u}
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''su'i'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li pa su'i pa du li re: 1 + 1 = 2 (CLL, 18.5.1)
 
 
 
;li ma'u pa su'i ni'u pa du li no: +1 + -1 = 0 (CLL, 18.5.5)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  vu'u (VUhU1) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The n-ary operation of subtraction. Takes the first argument as subtracts all subsequent ones in a left associative manner: x1 - x2 - x3 ...
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* subtract
 
* minus
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
 
 
* va'a
 
* ni'u
 
 
 
====  Notes ====
 
 
 
This is the operator for subtraction. It is distinct from {va'a} which is the operator for negation, and also from {ni'u} which is a minus sign and is part of the number
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''vu'u'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li ci vu'u re du li ma'u: the-number 3 - 2 = some-positive-number (CLL, 18.8.14)
 
 
 
;li tu'o va'a ny. du li no vu'u ny.:-n = 0 - n (CLL, 18.14.1)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  fa'i (VUhU2) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The unary operation of inverting. It returns the reciprocal of the given number: 1 / x1
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* inverse
 
* reciprocal
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
 
 
* {fi'u}
 
 
 
====  Notes ====
 
 
 
This is performs similar to {fi'u}. There are differences though. This is an operator and thus may take a mekso operand as an argument, whereas {fi'u} is part of PA and so is part a number.
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''fa'i'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li fa'i vei pa su'i pa du li fi'u re: Reciprocal of (1 + 1) = 1/2
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  gei (VUhU2) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
This operator is a trinary operator that mimics scientific notation. It is designed so that arguments can be omitted to give magnitudes quickly. gei x1 x2 x3 = x_2 * (x_3 ~94~ x_1).  x_3 defaults to 10; so gei x1 x2 = x2 * 10 ~94~ x1. x_2 defaults to 1; so gei x1 = 10 ~94~ x1
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* scientific notation
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''gei'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li cinonoki'oki'o du li bi gei ci:300,000,000 = 3 * 10~94~8 (CLL, 18.14.2)
 
 
 
;gei reno:10~94~20 (CLL, 18.14.3)
 
 
 
;papano bi'eju'u re gei pipanopano bi'eju'u re ge'a re:.1010_2 * 2 ~94~ 110_2 (CLL, 18.14.4)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  ju'u (VUhU2) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The binary operation that indicates the number base of its first argument: x1 is in base x2
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* base
 
* number base
 
 
 
* radix
 
 
 
====  Notes ====
 
 
 
For bases up to 16 Lojban has numerals you can use. But for bases greater than 16, use {pi'e} to separate the place values. {pi} is used as radix point in any base.
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''ju'u'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li pa no pa no ju'u re du li pa no: 1010 base 2 = 10 (CLL, 18.10.1)
 
 
 
;li daufeigai ju'u paxa du li rezevobi: ABC base 16 = 2748 (CLL, 18.10.2)
 
 
 
;li pa pi'e re pi'e ci ju'u reno du li vovoci: 1;2;3 base 20 = 443 (CLL, 18.10.7)
 
 
 
;li pa pi'e vo pi ze ju'u reno du li re vo pi ci mu: 1;4.7 base 20 = 24.35 (CLL, 18.10.10)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  pa'i (VUhU2) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The binary operation that returns the ratio of its two arguments: the ratio of x1 to x2.
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* ratio
 
 
 
====  Notes ====
 
 
 
No examples in CLL and none turned up searching lojban.org
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''pa'i'' Usage ====
 
 
 
( ! no correct natural usage ! )
 
 
 
Artificial Example:
 
 
 
''li pa pa'i pa du li mo'e lo ninmu pa'i mo'e lo nanmu''<br />
 
 
 
"the ratio 1 to 1 is equal to the ratio of men to woman"
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  te'a (VUhU2) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The binary operation of exponentiation: x1 to the power of x2
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* exponential
 
* power
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''te'a'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li vei ny. su'i pa ve'o pi'i vei ny. su'i pa [[jbocre: ve'o|ve'o]] du li ny. [[jbocre: bi'e|bi'e]] te'a re su'i re bi'e pi'i ny. su'i pa:(n + 1)(n + 1) = n~94~2 + 2n + 1 (CLL, 18.5.10)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  cu'a (VUhU3) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The unary operation of taking an absolute value or norm: the absolute value of x1
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* absolute value
 
* norm
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''cu'a'' Usage ====
 
 
 
''24 Mar 2005 07:54:02 <Broca> doi jbokaj li cu'a ni'u re''<br />
 
 
 
;li cu'a ni'u re du li re: |-2| = 2
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  de'o (VUhU3) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The binary operation of logarithm. The default value of x2 is either 10 or e, depending on context. log x1 in base x2
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* log
 
* ln
 
 
 
* logarithm
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''cu'a'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li de'o pa du li no: ln 1 = 0
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  fe'a (VUhU3) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The binary operation of taking an nth root. The default is to take a square root. The x2-th root of x1.
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* root
 
* square root
 
 
 
* nth root
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''fe'a'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li fe'a vei by. bi'ete'a re vu'u vo bi'epi'i .abu bi'epi'i cy. ve'o: the square root of (b^2 - 4ac) (CLL, 18.17.6)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  ne'o (VUhU3) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The factorial function. The factorial of x1.
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* factorial
 
* gamma function
 
 
 
====  Notes ====
 
 
 
The definition could easily be expanded to non integer arguments by identification with a suitable modification of the gamma function (z! = \Gamma(z-1]. It depends how stringent the community wants to be with the initial definitions and how much they want to leave up to usage.
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''ne'o'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li ne'o mu du li pareno: 5! = 120
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  va'a (VUhU3) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The unary operation giving the additive inverse of a number. For most people, this is a fancy way of saying the negative of a number.
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* additive inverse
 
 
 
====  Notes ====
 
 
 
* This is distinct from the minus sign {ni'u} and subtraction {vu'u}.
 
* This operator (and multiplicative inverse now that I think of it) could be made more useful if there was an explicit link to abstract algebra (specifically groups and rings). Consider it on my maybe-to-do list. mi'e Ross
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
 
 
* ni'u
 
* vu'u
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''va'a'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li py. su'i va'a ny. ku'e su'i zy du li xy.: p + (-n) + z = x (CLL, 18.6.2)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  pi'a (VUhU4) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
This n-ary operator takes vectors as operands and forms them into the rows of a matrix. The matrix with rows x1, x2, x3, ...
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* matrix
 
* row matrix
 
 
 
* row
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
 
 
* jo'i
 
* sa'i
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''pi'a'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;jo'i biboi paboi xa pi'a jo'i ciboi muboi ze ge'a jo'i voboi soboi re : ||8|1|6
 
 
 
3|5| 7 
 
 
 
4|9|2|| (CLL, 18.15.2)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  re'a (VUhU4) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed definition ====
 
 
 
The unary operation of transposing a matrix.
 
 
 
====  Proposed keyword ====
 
 
 
* transpose
 
* matrix transposition
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''re'a'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li re'a vei jo'i paboi re pi'a jo'i ciboi vo du li jo'i paboi ci pi'a jo'i reboi vo: The transpose of the matrix ( (1 2)(3 4) ) = ( (1 3)(2 4) )
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  ri'o (VUhU4) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
 
 
The trinary operation of taking the definite integral of a function. The integral of x1 with respect to x2 over range x3
 
 
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* integral
 
* integration
 
 
 
====  Notes ====
 
 
 
This definition should be extended somehow to accommodate indefinite integration. I suggest that indefinite integration should be the interpretation when x3 is omitted. I'm not sure whether the grammar is capable of polymorphic operators like this. Other options/ways to get this behaviour is to default x3 to ''no bi'o ty'' (recover indefinite integrals as parameter integrals), or make it the indefinite when x3 is filled with ''mo'e zi'o''.
 
 
 
This definition is (rather sneakily) fully compatible with a Lebesgue definition of integration. Just give a measurable function as x1, a measure to x2 and measurable set to x3.
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''ri'o'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li ri'o pa xy. no bi'e bi'o pa du li pa: The integral of 1 with respect to x from 0 to 1 is equal to 1
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  sa'i (VUhU4) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
 
 
This n-ary operator takes vectors as operands and forms them into the columns of a matrix. The matrix with the columns x1, x2, x3, ...
 
 
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* matrix
 
* column matrix
 
 
 
* columns
 
 
 
====  See also ====
 
 
 
* pi'a
 
* jo'i
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''sa'i'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;jo'i biboi ciboi vo sa'i jo'i paboi muboi so ge'a jo'i xaboi zeboi re: ||8|1|6
 
 
 
3|5|7
 
 
 
4|9|2||(CLL, 18.15.3)
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  sa'o (VUhU4) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
 
 
The trinary operation of taking the derivative of a function. The derivative of x1 with respect to x2 of degree x3. The default value of x3 is 1.
 
 
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* derivative
 
* derive
 
 
 
====  Examples of ''sa'o'' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li sa'o xy. xy. du li ma'o pa: The derivative of x with respect to x is the function 1
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
 
 
===  si'i (VUhU4) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
 
 
The trinary operation which lays out the summation of an indexed sequence of expressions. Also known in mathematics as sigma notation. The sum of x1 in a variable x2 over range x3
 
 
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* sum
 
* sigma summation
 
 
 
====  Examples of '''' Usage ====
 
 
 
;li si'i ky. ky. vei no bi'o ny. du li pimu pi'i ny. pi'i vei ny. su'i pa: The sum of k from 0 to n is equal to 0.5 x n x ( n+1 )
 
 
 
{BOX}
 
 
 
==  Impact ==
 
 
 
There is no changes to the definitions. I've tried to make them follow the CLL as closely as possible. Further since there is so little mekso literature, there is almost nothing to 'break' anyway. I have made a few suggestions to extend the definitions to expand the functionality some operators. This can be ratified formally if the bpfk/community feels that they add to utility more than they subtract in flexibility.
 
 
 
I (mi'e Ross) am not the first person to take up this section. Minimiscience did some work before I came along. He (She?) is obviously a programmer and seem to have been caught up in designing a consistent type system. Evidence of the beginnings of the system has been moved to the section below this. I am of the opinion that we will never be able to describe how these operators work in every context and so we should stick to giving the base definition and allow authors/speakers to use the operators in other contexts in accordance with common mathematical convention. For the moment, the only hangover of Minimiscience's type system in the above definitions is for {pi'i}.
 
 
 
This said, I think there is merit in the idea to specify default values for omitted arguments or alternatively treat the functions as polymorphic and give definitions of different combinations of arguments it gets given. The latter seems blotted/ overkill but would give definite meanings to operators that get passed tu'o. I haven't done either above.
 
 
 
==  Minimiscience's Type System ==
 
 
 
* When an expression is here said to be "undefined," it means that, in the absence of external information about the interpretation of the expression, it is semantically void, meaningless, and/or nonsensical.
 
* Mathematical operators take one or more operands, which are here referred to by an 'x' subscripted with a number.
 
 
 
* Operators defined here as "unary" are defined as operating on their first operand that is not equal to ''tu'o'' (referred to as "the operand" within the respective definitions), regardless of where it occurs in the operand list.
 
** See also: CLL section 18.16, example 16.3 and the paragraph before it, in which the operand of ''va'a'' is in the x_1 place; CLL section 18.14, example 14.1, in which the operand of ''va'a'' is in the x_2 place.
 
 
 
* If all operands of an operator are ''tu'o'', the value of the expression is equal to ''tu'o''.
 
* If an operand described in an operator's definition is missing from the operator's operand list and there is no default value given, the missing operand shall be interpreted as ''tu'o''.
 
 
 
* If one or more extra operands not described in an operator's definition are present in the operator's operand list, they affect the evaluation in an undefined or unspecified manner analogous to ''sumti'' attached to a ''selbri'' with ''do'e''.
 
* Lojban mathematical operators are defined in terms of conventional mathematical operators, and thus there is an implicit type system used in determining the value of an expression.  ''Mekso'' operands may be of any of the following types:
 
 
 
** number -- a "number" production in the formal grammar, usually corresponding to an element of the complex plane
 
** array -- an array, vector, ordered list/set, or tuple of one or more ''mekso'' values, constructed using ''jo'i''
 
 
 
** matrix -- a composition of one or more arrays of numbers, all of the same size, constructed using ''pi'a'' or ''sa'i''
 
** function
 
 
 
* If an operator is applied to operands of a type which its definition does not address, the expression is undefined.
 
* The operand ''tu'o'' is polymorphic; its type in an expression is determined by its surrounding context.
 
 
 
* Operator-specific type information (currently in the "Notes" subsections) needs to be included in the main definitions somehow without being too clunky.
 

Revision as of 16:45, 4 November 2013

In Lojbanistan, Loglan is variously thought to be "naive", "crude", or even "moribund". But with the death of the Founder, and now that of its leading writer, perhaps we will begin to see it as an endangered language worth preserving; and use of its words will begin to have a nostalgic feel...


I partly agree with the "na�vete" part of your description. But to me, the feeling of the Loglan language is more one of simplicity (ka sampu, not ka frili), pureness, perhaps even serenity. Of course, that's entirely subjective, and only the way I see it. --mi'e tsali


.i .e'a roda frati fi zo'e pe da .i ku'i lesi'o lojbo ralju (to zoigy. Lojban Chauvinism gy.toi) cu tcaci nibli ledu'u xebni le dzena .iepei .i ji'a leka panpi poi do ckajygau fi la dzejbo cu pe'i jalge lenu do lifri loi nundarlu befi le stura be la dzejbo na.e la lojban. po'o .i lo morsi cu me le'e panpi -- mi'e nitcion


Loglan is just another language community like ours. Besides, if we copy all their words as loglo fu'ivla we hasten their death - they become assimilated into Lojbanistan. We chose to speak lojban. We didn't choose our native language, but if we had and had wanted to preserve a dying language, the right thing to do is pick that one, not to grow up speaking English or whatever and then stroke the dying languages of the world saying "Poor baby." Don't turn loglan into a subset of lojban, either a) become a loglanist (yes, you can be both!) or b) don't worry about it, it was only ever as much a living language as any other conlang besides Esperanto, which has native speakers. - .kreig.daniyl.