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==  Proposed Definitions And Examples ==
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===  Proposed Definition of ''ri'a'' ===
::i dei lisri le nu cpare lo cmana::


;'''ri'a''' (BAI): With cause... Tags a sumti as fitting the 1st place of rinka.  Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of rinka and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi is caused by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: rinka, ja'e, ni'i, mu'i, ki'u, se ri'a, te ri'a, ri'a ma, ri'a nai, se ri'a nai.
::i go'i le nu sisku le ka manci::


** Keywords: With cause
::le rirci xrula poi titla se panci::


===  Examples of ''ri'a'' Usage ===
::zi'e poi ia xabju le traji cpana::


Artificial:
::i ca le nu finti dei kei mi zgana::


''.i le bolci cu farlu ri'a lo nu mi co'u sarji ri''
::le nu le romoi gusni pe le vanci::


The ball fell because I stopped holding it up.
::sekai le ka lazni cu masno canci::


===  Proposed Definition of ''ri'a ma'' ===
::i le nu mi ciska dei cu se ckana::


;'''ri'a ma''' (BAI*): With what cause? Tags a sumti question marker as fitting the first place of rinka.  Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the first place of rinka and then fills it with a sumti question cmavo (ma).  In other words, the tagged sumti asks what physically caused the event described by the bridi.  See also: rinka, ja'e, ni'i, mu'i, ki'u, ri'a, se ri'a, te ri'a, ri'a nai, se ri'a nai.
::i xu frili fa le nu mi le zdani::


** Keywords: With what cause?
::cu cliva bai le banli mukti i na::


===  Examples of ''ri'a ma'' Usage ===
::go'i i ju le te zukte cu trina::


Artificial:
::i le pluta cu nandu gi'e clani::


''.i ri'a ma le tsani cu blanu''
::i ca binxo le lerci i le tsani::


Why is the sky blue?
::cu manku i ai mi catlu lo skina::


===  Proposed Definition of ''ri'a nai'' ===
mi'e xorxes


;'''ri'a nai''' (BAI*):  Not caused by... Tags a sumti as not fitting the 1st place of rinka. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of na'e rinka and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi is not caused by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: rinka, ja'e, ni'i, mu'i, ki'u, ri'a, se ri'a, te ri'a, ri'a ma, se ri'a nai.
de'i li 1994;05
 
** Keywords: Not caused by, regardles of cause.
 
===  Examples of ''ri'a nai'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''.i mi nelci do ri'anai lo za'i do melbi''
 
I like you, but not because you're beautiful.
 
===  Note ===
 
It should be noted (and this applies to all BAI+nai) constructs that while the above example asserts that "mi nelci do", and it asserts that this isn't a result of "do melbi", it does *not* assert "do melbi" one way or the other.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se ri'a'' ===
 
;'''se ri'a''' (BAI*):  With result... Tags a sumti as fitting the 2nd place of rinka.  Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of rinka and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi is the cause of the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: rinka, ja'e, mu'i, ni'i, ki'u, ri'a, te ri'a, ri'a ma, ri'a nai, se ri'a nai.
 
** Keywords: With result
 
===  Examples of ''se ri'a'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''.i do darxi mi seri'a lo za'i mi cortu''
 
You hit me, which results in my pain.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se ri'a nai'' ===
 
;'''se ri'a nai''' (BAI*):  Not resulting in... Tags a sumti as not fitting the 2nd place of rinka. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of na'e rinka and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi does not cause the event described by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: rinka, ja'e, mu'i, ni'i, ki'u, ri'a, se ri'a, te ri'a, ri'a ma, ri'a nai.
 
** Keywords: Not resulting in
 
===  Examples of ''se ri'a nai'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''.i do darxi le ve tivni seri'anai lonu ri se cikre''
 
You hit the TV, but that doesn't result in it being repaired.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''te ri'a'' ===
 
;'''te ri'a''' (BAI*):  Caused under conditions... Tags a sumti as fitting the 3rd place of rinka.  Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 3rd place of rinka and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi is caused under the conditions described by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: rinka, ja'e, mu'i, ni'i, ki'u, ri'a, se ri'a, ri'a ma, ri'a nai, se ri'a nai.
 
** Keywords: Caused under conditions...
 
===  Examples of ''te ri'a'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''.i le karce cu xe klama teri'a loza'i mi bilga lonu klama le zarci''
 
When I have to go to the store, the car is a vehicle.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ni'i'' ===
 
;'''ni'i''' (BAI):  By logic... Tags a sumti as fitting the 1st place of nibli.  Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of nibli and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi follows logically from the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: nibli, ja'e, mu'i, ri'a, ki'u, se ni'i, te ni'i, ni'i ma, ni'i nai, se ni'i nai.
 
** Keywords: By logic...
 
===  Examples of ''ni'i'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''.i la platon mrobi'o ni'i le du'u py remna''
 
Plato dies, which follows logically because he is human.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ni'i ma'' ===
 
;'''ni'i ma''' (BAI*):  By what logic? Tags a sumti question marker as fitting the first place of nibli.  Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the first place of nibli and then fills it with a sumti question cmavo (ma).  In other words, the tagged sumti asks by what logic the event described by the bridi occurs.  See also: nibli, ja'e, ri'a, mu'i, ki'u, ni'i, se ni'i, te ni'i, ni'i nai, se ni'i nai.
 
** Keywords: By what logic?
 
===  Examples of ''ni'i ma'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''do krici lo du'u gendra ni'i ma''
 
"You believe that is grammatical by what logic?"
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ni'i nai'' ===
 
;'''ni'i nai''' (BAI*):  Does not logically follow from... Tags a sumti as not fitting the 1st place of nibli. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of nibli and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi does not logically follow from the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: nibli, ja'e, ri'a, mu'i, ki'u, ni'i, se ni'i, te ni'i, ni'i ma, se ni'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Does not logically follow from..., regardless of logical cause.
 
===  Examples of ''ni'i nai'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''.i do bilga lonu pilno lo palku kei ni'inai loza'i do nanmu''
 
Your being obliged to wear pants doesn't logically follow from the state of your being a man.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se ni'i'' ===
 
;'''se ni'i''' (BAI*):  Logically therefore... Tags a sumti as fitting the 2nd place of nibli.  Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of nibli and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi logically leads to the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: nibli, ja'e, mu'i, ri'a, ki'u, ni'i, te ni'i, ni'i ma, ni'i nai, se ni'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Logically therefore...
 
===  Examples of ''se ni'i'' Usage ===
 
''.i se ni'i ri cusku no da poi lojbo''
 
Because of that, nothing lojbanic is expressed.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se ni'i nai'' ===
 
;'''se ni'i nai''' (BAI*):  Does not logically entail... Tags a sumti as not fitting the 2nd place of nibli. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of nibli and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi does not logically entail the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: nibli, ja'e, ri'a, mu'i, ki'u, ni'i, se ni'i, te ni'i, ni'i ma, ni'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Does not logically entail...
 
===  Examples of ''se ni'i nai'' Usage ===
 
''lo gerku lo plini cu simsa le ka barda .i se ni'i nai bo ri xi re ri xi ci simsa le ka barda''
 
Dogs are similar to planets in size; it does not therefore follow that planets are similar to dogs in size.
 
(I don't actually have any idea what this person was talking about, but this is a real usage, very slightly modified.)
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''te ni'i'' ===
 
;'''te ni'i''' (BAI*):  Under logic system... Tags a sumti as fitting the 3rd place of nibli. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 3rd place of nibli and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi occurs under the logic system described by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: nibli, ja'e, mu'i, ri'a, ki'u, ni'i, se ni'i, ni'i ma, ni'i nai, se ni'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Under logic system...
 
===  Examples of ''te ni'i'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''li pa pi'i pa du li pa te ni'i lo cmaci''
 
One times one is one, according to mathematics.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''mu'i'' ===
 
;'''mu'i''' (BAI):  Because of motive... Tags a sumti as fitting the 1st place of mukti. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of mukti and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi occurs because of the motive described by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: mukti, ja'e, ni'i, ri'a, ki'u, se mu'i, te mu'i, mu'i ma, mu'i nai, se mu'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Because of motive...
 
===  Examples of ''mu'i'' Usage ===
 
''.i mi cliva mu'i le nu samru'e kelci gi'e sipna do'e le mi se prami''
 
I leave motivated by computer gaming and sleeping with my beloved.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''mu'i ma'' ===
 
;'''mu'i ma''' (BAI*): With what motive? Tags a sumti question marker as fitting the first place of mukti.  Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the first place of mukti and then fills it with a sumti question cmavo (ma).  In other words, the tagged sumti asks with what motive the event described by the bridi occurs.  See also: mukti, ja'e, ri'a, ni'i, ki'u, mu'i, se mu'i, te mu'i, mu'i nai, se mu'i nai.
 
** Keywords: With what motive?
 
===  Examples of ''mu'i ma'' Usage ===
 
''.i do preti mu'i ma''
 
Why do you ask?
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''mu'i nai'' ===
 
;'''mu'i nai''' (BAI*):  Not motivated by... Tags a sumti as not fitting the 1st place of mukti. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of mukti and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi is not motivated by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: mukti, ja'e, ri'a, ni'i, ki'u, mu'i, se mu'i, te mu'i, mu'i ma, se mu'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Not motivated by..., regardless of motivation.
 
===  Examples of ''mu'i nai'' Usage ===
 
''mi gleki le nu tavla do kei mu'i nai le cmalu temci''
 
I like talking to you, regardless of the short amount of time.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se mu'i'' ===
 
;'''se mu'i''' (BAI*):  Motive therefore... Tags a sumti as fitting the 2nd place of mukti. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of mukti and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi is the motive behind the event described by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: mukti, ja'e, ni'i, ri'a, ki'u,, mu'i, te mu'i, mu'i ma, mu'i nai, se mu'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Motive therefore...
 
===  Examples of ''se mu'i'' Usage ===
 
''.i mi mutce xagji se mu'i le nu mi pu'o citka'' (Modified from original.)
 
I'm very hungry, which motivates that I am about to eat.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se mu'i nai'' ===
 
;'''se mu'i nai''' (BAI*):  Not motive for... Tags a sumti as not fitting the 2nd place of mukti. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of mukti and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi is not the motive for the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: mukti, ja'e, ri'a, ni'i, ki'u, mu'i, se mu'i, te mu'i, mu'i ma, mu'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Not motive for...
 
===  Examples of ''se mu'i nai'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''mi cliva se mu'i nai lo nu do klaku''
 
I'm leaving, but you don't have to cry.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''te mu'i'' ===
 
;'''te mu'i''' (BAI*):  Motive of person... Tags a sumti as fitting the 3rd place of mukti. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 3rd place of mukti and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi is somehow motivated by or motivates the person indicated by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: mukti, ja'e, ni'i, ri'a, ki'u, mu'i, se mu'i, mu'i ma, mu'i nai, se mu'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Motive of person...
 
===  Examples of ''te mu'i'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''mi klama le zarci te mu'i le mi mamta''
 
I go to the store because of/to motivate my mom.
 
(The English gloss is incurably inspecific)
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ki'u'' ===
 
;'''ki'u''' (BAI):  Because of reason... Tags a sumti as fitting the 1st place of krinu. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of krinu and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi occurs for the reason indicated by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: krinu, ja'e, ni'i, ri'a, mu'i, se ki'u, ki'u ma, ki'u nai, se ku'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Because of reason...
 
===  Examples of ''ki'u'' Usage ===
 
''.i mi nelci la lojban ki'u lenu mi pensi ta'i le pe'a lojbo''
 
I like lojban because I think in a figuratively lojbanic manner.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ki'u ma'' ===
 
;'''ki'u ma''' (BAI*):  With what reason? Tags a sumti question marker as fitting the first place of krinu.  Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the first place of krinu and then fills it with a sumti question cmavo (ma).  In other words, the tagged sumti asks with what reason the event described by the bridi occurs.  See also: krinu, ja'e, ri'a, mu'i, ni'i, ki'u, se ki'u, ki'u nai, se ku'i nai.
 
** Keywords: With what reason?
 
===  Examples of ''ki'u ma'' Usage ===
 
''.i ki'u ma do cusku zo co'o''
 
Why do you say goodbye?
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ki'u nai'' ===
 
;'''ki'u nai''' (BAI*): Without reason... Tags a sumti as not fitting the 1st place of krinu. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of krinu and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi is not reasonably justified by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: krinu, ja'e, ri'a, ni'i, ni'i, ki'u, se ki'u, ki'u ma, se ku'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Without reason...
 
===  Examples of ''ki'u nai'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''la uest cu se nabmi ge ki'u nai lo nu .u bu mitcinpa'i nanmu gi ki'u lo nu .u bu simlu lo ka djica lo nu pilno lo nu catni fi lo gubni jibri kei lo nu cpedu lo cinse nu selfu''
 
"West is in trouble not because he is a gay man, but because he is a man who was apparently willing to use the power of his public office to solicit sexual favors."
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se ki'u'' ===
 
;'''se ki'u''' (BAI*):  Reasonably therefore... Tags a sumti as fitting the 2nd place of krinu. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of krinu and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi is the reason behind the event described by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: krinu, ja'e, ni'i, ri'a, mu'i, ki'u, ki'u ma, ki'u nai, se ku'i nai.
 
** Keywords: Reasonably therefore..., thereby....
 
===  Examples of ''se ki'u'' Usage ===
 
''.i mi ca gunka penmi seki'u le nu masno spuda'' (Slightly modified.)
 
I am at a work meeting, which is the reason for my slow replies.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se ki'u nai'' ===
 
;'''se ki'u nai''' (BAI*):  Not a reason to... Tags a sumti as not fitting the 2nd place of krinu. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of krinu and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi is not the reason for the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: krinu, ja'e, ri'a, ni'i, mu'i, ki'u, se ki'u, ki'u ma, ki'u nai.
 
** Keywords: Not a reason to...
 
===  Examples of ''se ki'u nai'' Usage ===
 
''.i se ki'u nai bo mi jai bandu le nobli ke lojbo bangu lo vlatai zekri'' (Slightly modified.)
 
Regardless of that reason, I defend the noble Lojban language against word-shape crimes.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''bai'' ===
 
;'''bai''' (BAI):  Compelled by... Tags a sumti as fitting the 1st place of bapli. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of bapli and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi is compelled by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: bapli, se bai.
 
** Keywords: Compelled by
 
===  Examples of ''bai'' Usage ===
 
''.i za'a bai lo skami mi nalviska le se cinri nu casnu'' (Rather modified.)
 
Apparently, the computer compels me to not see the interesting discussion.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se bai'' ===
 
;'''se bai''' (BAI*):  Forcing result... Tags a sumti as fitting the 2nd place of bapli. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of bapli and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi compels the result described by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: bapli, bai.
 
** Keywords: Forcing result
 
===  Examples of ''se bai'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''mi darxi le bolci se bai lo nu ri gunro farlu fi le gapru traji mokca be le cmalu cmana''
 
I hit the ball forcing it to roll down from the top of the hill.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''fau'' ===
 
;'''fau''' (BAI):  In the event of... Tags a sumti as fitting the 1st place of fasnu. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of fasnu and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi is associated with an event described by referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: fasnu.
 
** Keywords: In the event of...
 
===  Examples of ''fau'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''.i fau le nu mi sanli binxo kei mi cusku le se du'u mo'u citka''
 
With the event of standing up, I express that the eating is over.
 
===  Proposed definition of ''sau'' ===
 
;'''sau''' (BAI):  Requiring... Tags a sumti as fitting the 1st place of sarcu. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of sarcu and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi requires the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: sarcu, se sau, te sau.
 
** Keywords: Requiring...
 
===  Examples of ''sau'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''.i do nenri sau tu'a le ckiku valsi''
 
You enter, with requirement the key word.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se sau'' ===
 
;'''se sau''' (BAI*):  Required for... Tags a sumti as fitting the 2nd place of sarcu. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of sarcu and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi is required for the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: sarcu, sau, te sau.
 
** Keywords: Required for...
 
===  Examples of ''se sau'' Usage ===
 
''.i .e'o ko sanli vi le serti se sau le nu mi fi do badgau'' (Slightly modified.)
 
Please stand at the stairs, which is required for my defending you.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''te sau'' ===
 
;'''te sau''' (BAI*):  Required under conditions... Tags a sumti as fitting the 3rd place of sarcu. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 3rd place of sarcu and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi is required under the conditions described by the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: sarcu, sau, se sau.
 
** Keywords: Required under conditions...
 
===  Examples of ''te sau'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''mi klama le briju te sau lo nu mi gunka''
 
I go to the office as required by my work.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ja'e'' ===
 
;'''ja'e''' (BAI):  Therefore result... Tags a sumti as fitting the 1st place of jalge. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of jalge and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi results from the tagged sumti.  See also: jalge, se ja'e, ja'e nai, se ja'e nai.
 
** Keywords: Therefore result...
 
===  Examples of ''ja'e'' Usage ===
 
''.i le li'i clupa nu casnu bau roda ja'e node cu rinka'' (Slightly modified.)
 
The experience of a looping discussion in all languages which results in nothing is the cause.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ja'e nai'' ===
 
;'''ja'e nai''' (BAI*): Without result... Tags a sumti as not fitting the 1st place of jalge. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of jalge and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi does not result in the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: jalge, ja'e, se ja'e, se ja'e nai.
 
** Keywords: Without result...
 
===  Examples of ''ja'e nai'' Usage ===
 
''.i ja'e nai bo mi na ka'e sipna''
 
Regardless of this, I am not able to sleep.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se ja'e'' ===
 
;'''se ja'e''' (BAI*): Results because ... Tags a sumti as fitting the 2nd place of jalge. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of jalge and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi results because of the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: jalge, ja'e, ja'e nai, se ja'e nai.
 
** Keywords: Results because...
 
===  Examples of ''se ja'e'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''mi cadzu se ja'e lo nu mi na ponse lo karce''
 
I walk because I don't own a car.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se ja'e nai'' ===
 
;'''se ja'e nai''' (BAI*): Results not because ... Tags a sumti as not fitting the 2nd place of jalge. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of jalge and then fills it with the tagged sumti.  In other words, the event described by the bridi is not the reason for the referent of the tagged sumti.  See also: jalge, ja'e, se ja'e, ja'e nai.
 
** Keywords: Results not because
 
===  Examples of ''se ja'e nai'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''mi cadzu se ja'e nai lo nu mi na ponse lo karce''
 
I walk, but not because I don't own a car.
 
I walk regardless of whether or not I own a car.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''va'o'' ===
 
;'''va'o''' (BAI):  Under conditions... Tags a sumti as fitting the 1st place of vanbi. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 1st place of vanbi and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi occurs under the conditions described by the tagged sumti.  See also: vanbi, se va'o.
 
** Keywords: Under conditions...
 
===  Examples of ''va'o'' Usage ===
 
''.i .e'o ko na damba va'o le nu rodo na kakne le nu damba bau la lojban.''
 
Under the conditions of y'all not being able to fight in lojban, please don't fight.
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''se va'o'' ===
 
;'''se va'o''' (BAI*): As conditions for ... Tags a sumti as fitting the 2nd place of vanbi. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the 2nd place of vanbi and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the event described by the bridi is the condition under which the referent of the tagged sumti occurs.  See also: vanbi, va'o.
 
** Keywords: As conditions for...
 
===  Examples of ''se va'o'' Usage ===
 
Artificial:
 
''la .bais. cu mulno se va'o lo nu la camgusmis cu gleki''
 
The BAI sections are complete as a condition for Robin (camgusmis) being happy.
 
==  Notes ==
 
==  Impact ==
 
There exists a contradiction between the CLL and the ma'oste about the meaning of BAInai WRT causals. The interpretation we are using (explicated in the preface section) here for "ri'a nai" and such matches with that found in the CLL (Chapter 9, Section 13). To get the meaning shown in the ma'oste (despite...), it is suggested to use e.g. to'eri'anai instead of ri'anai.
 
This is shown as the following:
 
* ri'a == with cause
* ri'anai == not with cause (regardless of cause)
 
* to'eri'a == prevented by
* to'eri'anai == not prevented by (despite)
 
==  Poll ==
 
{POLL(pollId=>17)}BPFK Poll: Causation sumtcita{POLL}

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ckape litru

i dei lisri le nu cpare lo cmana::
i go'i le nu sisku le ka manci::
le rirci xrula poi titla se panci::
zi'e poi ia xabju le traji cpana::
i ca le nu finti dei kei mi zgana::
le nu le romoi gusni pe le vanci::
sekai le ka lazni cu masno canci::
i le nu mi ciska dei cu se ckana::
i xu frili fa le nu mi le zdani::
cu cliva bai le banli mukti i na::
go'i i ju le te zukte cu trina::
i le pluta cu nandu gi'e clani::
i ca binxo le lerci i le tsani::
cu manku i ai mi catlu lo skina::

mi'e xorxes

de'i li 1994;05

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