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This page is for anyone in the Lojban community who wants to help
''manku kacma''? ''manku kumfa''?


the BPFK with the initial language description task.
The words mean literally "dark room", but although a darkroom is a dark room, it is not a camera obscura.


==  The Goal ==
--


The whole goal here is to replace the definitions with something
''kacma'': x1 is a camera/photographic equipment recording illumination type x2 images to media x3


that (1) uses complete English sentences and (2) might be useful to
A camera obscura is a camera which, by direct optical means, displays its image rather than recording it. One translation is ''kacma fi noda'' (though some people might suppose you'd left your film at home).


somone who has never seen them before (although please don't include
*That should be ''kacma fi zi'o''; anything (such as a tree) which has nothing to record images on ''kacma fi noda''. --[[jbocre: Pierre Abbat|phma]]
** The [[jbocre: discussion of kacma fi noda|discussion of kacma fi noda]] became somewhat extended.


descriptions of things common to many words; do not define
* The ''[[jbocre: lujvo|lujvo]]'' for ''kacma fi zi'o'' is ''zilcibykacma''


"attitudinal", for example).
We don't need to make up Lojban words to exactly match English words. A camera obscura where you walk in and the image is projected on a wall could be a ''kumfa kacma'' "room camera" or a ''kacma je kumfa'' "camera and room". The kind used by artists to help in sketching could be a "drawing aid", and so on. There are many ways to say any given thing; choose one that says what you want.


We'd also like to get the various piece of information about the
''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]''
 
words seperated out for future use, and get some examples, but those
 
are somewhat secondary goals.
 
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* Pick a section that isn't green on the [[BPFK Sections|BPFK Sections]] page.  Pick a cmavo in that section that looks unfinished.  Do the following:
 
** Grab your CLL, or use one of the online versions.  Figure out what the cmavo means.  Write it down.  See the templates below.
*** Do ''NOT'' describe its category in general; it is sufficient to say that something is "an attitudinal"; you do not need to talk about how attitudinals in general work at all.
 
*** Do describe how it is different from other members of its category.
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==  Tags ==
 
Each grammatical category should have unique descriptiors in Lojban
 
that can be used to refer to all cmavo of that type, for consistency
 
across various documents, in case we decide to go with something
 
like
 
[http://teddyb.org/robin/tiki-index.php?page=Documentation+Standards+For+Lojban]
 
==  Cross-References ==
 
Please put {...} around any cross-references to other Lojban words,
 
like {broda}. This will not get marked up, but it will save us a lot
 
of trouble later.  Basically, put {...} anywhere you would want a
 
hyperlink to another entry to appear if this was an online
 
dictionary.
 
==  Section Colours ==
 
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==  But Be Careful About Concurrent Edits ==
 
We've had at least one case so far of one person entirely destroying
 
another person's cmavo definition changes.  Therefore, please:
 
* If the site says "someone else edited this since you started", or something like that, ''DO NOT SAVE''.  Copy the text somewhere else, cancel, ''RELOAD'', and try again.
* Make lots of small, quick changes.
 
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==  Templates ==
 
A finished cmavo looks something like this:
 
 
 
===  cmavo: xxx (SELMAHO) ===
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
Fun-times! Used to express fun-ness.
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
Awesome attitudinal.
 
====  See Also ====
 
* {XYY}
* {XYZ}
 
* {GISMU}
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
* whatever
* shyeah-right!
 
====  Usage Examples ====
 
;xxx mi klama:"Whatever!  I'm going."
 
====  Notes ====
 
This cmavo is different from {XYY}, because {XYY} allows for the piano-eating duties to be split.
 
====  Issues ====
 
This cmavo is completely non-standard, but ''very'' common in actual usage.  We could resolve this by allowing it, or not.
 
{BOX}
 
...
 
===  General Section Issues ===
 
All attitudinal modifiers are weird.
 
{BOX}
 
The raw markup for that is this:
 
 
~pp~
 
 
===  cmavo: xxx (SELMAHO) ===
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
Fun-times! Used to express fun-ness.
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
Awesome attitudinal.
 
====  See Also ====
 
* {XYY}
* {XYZ}
 
* {GISMU}
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
* whatever
* shyeah-right!
 
====  Usage Examples ====
 
;xxx mi klama:"Whatever!  I'm going."
 
====  Notes ====
 
This cmavo is different from {XYY}, because {XYY} allows for the piano-eating duties to be split.
 
====  Issues ====
 
This cmavo is completely non-standard, but ''very'' common
 
in actual usage.  We could resolve this by allowing it, or not.
 
{BOX}
 
...
 
===  General Section Issues ===
 
All attitudinal modifiers are weird.

Revision as of 16:45, 4 November 2013

manku kacma? manku kumfa?

The words mean literally "dark room", but although a darkroom is a dark room, it is not a camera obscura.

--

kacma: x1 is a camera/photographic equipment recording illumination type x2 images to media x3

A camera obscura is a camera which, by direct optical means, displays its image rather than recording it. One translation is kacma fi noda (though some people might suppose you'd left your film at home).

  • That should be kacma fi zi'o; anything (such as a tree) which has nothing to record images on kacma fi noda. --phma
  • The lujvo for kacma fi zi'o is zilcibykacma

We don't need to make up Lojban words to exactly match English words. A camera obscura where you walk in and the image is projected on a wall could be a kumfa kacma "room camera" or a kacma je kumfa "camera and room". The kind used by artists to help in sketching could be a "drawing aid", and so on. There are many ways to say any given thing; choose one that says what you want.

mi'e jezrax

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