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[[bi'ai|bi'ai]] [CAhA] must be: modal aspect: necesary attribute
{{cmavo|bi'ai|CAhA|must be: modal aspect: necessary attribute}}
 
'''bi'ai''' is equivalent to '''na ka'e na''' (that is '''naku ka'eku naku''' for those who [[scope of tenses and NA|value the book's prescriptions above common sense]]). It's proposed for the sake of symmetry. (cf. bilga, [[CAhA as sumtcita|CAhA as sumtcita]])
''bi'ai'' is equivalent to ''na ka'e na'' (that is ''naku ka'eku naku'' for those who [[scope of tenses and NA|value the book's prescriptions above common sense]]). It's proposed for the sake of symmetry. (cf. bilga, [[jbocre: CAhA as sumtcita|CAhA as sumtcita]])
=Discussion=
 
*.ianaicai .i ma smuni le si'o da na [[ka'enai|ka'enai]] broda
''.ianaicai .i ma smuni le si'o da na [[ka'enai|ka'enai]] broda''
*'''ka'enai''' does not mean the same as '''ka'e na''', it means '''na ka'e'''.
 
*[[User:xorxes|xorxes]]:
''ka'enai'' does not mean the same as ''ka'e na'', it means ''na ka'e''.
**'''ka'e na''' means that the negative is possible. '''na ka'e''' and '''ka'enai''', on the other hand, negate the possibility.
 
***See [[scope of tenses and NA]].
''ka'e na'' means that the negative is possible. ''na ka'e'' and ''ka'enai'', on the other hand, negate the possibility. --[[User:xorxes|xorxes]]
*What is the symmetry?
 
**<code>bi'ai                      = na ka'e na = ka'e nai na = not capable of not</code>
'''---> [[scope of tenses and NA|scope of tenses and NA]]'''
**<code>na bi'ai    = bi'ai nai    = ka'e na                  = capable of not</code>
 
**<code>bi'ai na                  = na ka'e    = ka'e nai    = not capable of</code>
----
**<code>na bi'ai na = bi'ai nai na = ka'e                    = capable of</code>
 
***[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]:
What is the symmetry?
****Why only a cmavo for '''na ka'e na''' and not '''na ca'a na''' etc.?
 
***[[Adam|Adam]]:
bi'ai                      = na ka'e na = ka'e nai na = not capable of not
****The symmetry is with other such constructs in the language. Just as it is much easier to say '''ro broda''' than '''naku su'o broda naku''', it is much easier to say '''bi'aiku''' than '''naku ka'eku naku'''. A cmavo is not proposed for '''na ca'a na''', because there does not seem to be any interesting difference between '''na ca'a''' and '''ca'a na'''. For the record, it was me who originally proposed this cmavo.
 
na bi'ai    = bi'ai nai    = ka'e na                  = capable of not
 
bi'ai na                  = na ka'e    = ka'e nai    = not capable of
 
na bi'ai na = bi'ai nai na = ka'e                    = capable of
 
Why only a cmavo for ''na ka'e na'' and not ''na ca'a na'' etc.?
 
--[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]
 
The symmetry is with other such constructs in the language. Just as it is much easier to say ''ro broda'' than ''naku su'o broda naku'', it is much easier to say ''bi'aiku'' than ''naku ka'eku naku''. A cmavo is not proposed for ''na ca'a na'', because there does not seem to be any interesting difference between ''na ca'a'' and ''ca'a na''. For the record, it was me who originally proposed this cmavo. -- [[jbocre: Adam|Adam]]

Latest revision as of 08:50, 17 October 2014

bi'ai [CAhA] particle: must be: modal aspect: necessary attribute

bi'ai is equivalent to na ka'e na (that is naku ka'eku naku for those who value the book's prescriptions above common sense). It's proposed for the sake of symmetry. (cf. bilga, CAhA as sumtcita)

Discussion

  • .ianaicai .i ma smuni le si'o da na ka'enai broda
  • ka'enai does not mean the same as ka'e na, it means na ka'e.
  • xorxes:
    • ka'e na means that the negative is possible. na ka'e and ka'enai, on the other hand, negate the possibility.
  • What is the symmetry?
    • bi'ai = na ka'e na = ka'e nai na = not capable of not
    • na bi'ai = bi'ai nai = ka'e na = capable of not
    • bi'ai na = na ka'e = ka'e nai = not capable of
    • na bi'ai na = bi'ai nai na = ka'e = capable of
      • And Rosta:
        • Why only a cmavo for na ka'e na and not na ca'a na etc.?
      • Adam:
        • The symmetry is with other such constructs in the language. Just as it is much easier to say ro broda than naku su'o broda naku, it is much easier to say bi'aiku than naku ka'eku naku. A cmavo is not proposed for na ca'a na, because there does not seem to be any interesting difference between na ca'a and ca'a na. For the record, it was me who originally proposed this cmavo.