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My guess is that this is my space on this wiki and i hope to write something smart here someday for anyone curious enough to venture here.



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==Vad är lojban?==
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<tr><td>'''nelci'''</td><td>⬚ gillar/är förtjust i ⬚.</td></tr>
<tr><td>'''patfu'''</td><td>⬚ fader ⬚.</td></tr>
<tr><td>'''mi nelci do'''</td><td>Jag gillar dig.</td></tr>
<tr><td>'''mi patfu do'''</td><td>Jag är din pappa.</td></tr>
<tr><td>'''do nelci ma'''</td><td>Vad gillar du?</td></tr>
<tr><td>'''ma nelci mi'''</td><td>Vem är förtjust i mig?</td></tr>
<tr><td>'''do patfu ma'''&emsp;</td><td>Vem är det som har dig som pappa?</td></tr>
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[[Image:yt-evarusar.png|240x134px|'''Beauty in the artifice''': en vacker introduktion till Lojban skapad av  [http://bitsfair.com/ Ewa]|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kI__OTFn0o|thumb]]
<!--[[Image:yt-lightning talk.png|240x160px|a «lightning talk» introduction to Lojban by Timo Paulssen|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdlGxgKt7nc|thumb]]-->
Lojban är ett omsorgsfullt utvecklat konstruerat språk. Det skapades från början av en liten grupp personer som sedan har vuxit till hundratals entusiaster under mer än 50 år.

*Lojban's grammar is based on simple rules, and its linguistic features are inspired by predicate logic. <!--There is no distinction between nouns, verbs, and adjectives; rather, Lojban sentences are held up by ''relations'' (like “… gives … to …”) and the ''arguments'' satisfying them.-->
*är det verkligen enkla regler? , och dess lingvistiska egenskaper har inspirerats av predikatlogik.
*Lojban allows the expression of nuances in emotion using words called [[attitudinals]], which are like spoken emoticons. '''ue''' marks that you're surprised; '''ba'u''' marks that you're exaggerating.
*Lojban har små känslord som fungerar likt smileys vilka kan användas i både text och tal, exempelvis tyder '''ue''' på att du är överraskad och '''ba'u''' indikerar att du överdriver.
*You can be as vague or detailed as you like when speaking lojban. For example, specifying tense (past, present or future) or number (singular or plural) is optional when they're clear from context.

*Lojban is machine parsable, so the syntactic structure and validity of a sentence is unambiguous, and can be analyzed using computer tools.
<!--*Lojban is unambiguous in syntax. Natural languages often have ambiguous sentences — does "He's left" mean that he's still here or that he's gone? Lojban systematically eliminates this.-->
*There is a live community of speakers expanding the lojban vocabulary day by day.
<!--*Lojban is designed aiming at being neutral between cultures.-->
===Lojban means different things to different people===
* a linguistic curiosity - a test-bed for language experimentation
* a challenging way to expand their minds or discipline their thoughts
* a new perspective on languages
* an entertaining medium to communicate with friends or create art
* a domain for exploring the intersection of human language and software

What will lojban mean for you?
<!-- ===[[Presenting Lojban|More basic information ...]]=== -->
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== Official publications ==
[[File:cll-1.1.png|thumb|The Complete Lojban Language|link=http://lojban.org/publications/cll/cll_v1.1_book.pdf]]
'The Complete Lojban Language' book is an official publication by The Logical Language Group and is available in several formats:
* [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0966028325/ As a hardcover book]
* [http://lojban.org/publications/cll/cll_v1.1_book.pdf CLL v1.1 PDF] and [http://lojban.org/publications/cll/cll_v1.1_cover.pdf CLL v1.1 PDF Cover] ; these are the actual files used to produced the hardcover version, so it's exactly what you get if you buy a copy
* [http://lojban.org/publications/cll/cll_v1.1.epub CLL v1.1 EPUB] (the ebook format) and [http://lojban.org/publications/cll/cll_v1.1.mobi CLL v1.1 MOBI] (another ebook format, generated from the EPUB using Kindle's tools, so it should work on all Kindle devices)
* In HTML: [http://lojban.org/publications/cll/cll_v1.1_xhtml-no-chunks/ CLL v1.1 HTML One Big File], [http://lojban.org/publications/cll/cll_v1.1_xhtml-chapter-chunks/ CLL v1.1 HTML One File Per Chapter], [http://lojban.org/publications/cll/cll_v1.1_xhtml-section-chunks/ CLL v1.1 HTML One File Per Section]

This book will help those who already understand some lojban. It's the most complete reference of lojban language by far. It does not, however, teach vocabulary, style, colloquial language or other possible variations of the language.

== Related documents ==
* A [[How to use xorlo|description of the xorlo reform]]. 
This reform was approved by the Logical Language Group in 2003.

== Unofficial methods to learn lojban ==
These are learning resources that are made by people speaking lojban and that represent personal views of those authors:
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|style="padding:3px;border:1px solid black;width: 50%;"| <div style="text-align:center;">A set of [[pronunciation|pronunciation guides]]</div>
|style="padding:3px;border:1px solid black;width: 50%;"| [[la karda|la karda]], a rapid-fire overview of the grammar in small pieces
|-style="vertical-align:top;"
|style="padding:3px;border:1px solid black;width: 50%;"| <div style="text-align:center;"><span class="plainlinks">search the [https://la-lojban.github.io/sutysisku/lojban/#sisku=coi_munje dictionary]<br/>[[Image:la_sutysisku.png|100px|link=https://la-lojban.github.io/sutysisku/lojban/#sisku=coi_munje]]</span></div>
|style="padding:3px;border:1px solid black;width: 50%;"|  [http://lojban.github.io/ilmentufa/camxes.html la camxes] is an automatic grammar checker of Lojban utterances. It can help you to understand the structure and correctness of sentences.
|-style="vertical-align:top;"
|style="padding:3px;border:1px solid black;width: 50%;"| <div style="text-align:center;">[[Lojban Wave Lessons|Wave Lessons]], a popular textbook
|style="padding:3px;border:1px solid black;width: 50%;"| <div style="text-align:center;">[https://daeldir.github.io/jbogidva/ Lojban guide]<br/>Provides hover translations of both sentences/phrases and words they contain. </div>
|-style="vertical-align:top;"
|style="padding:3px;border:1px solid black;width: 50%;"| <div style="text-align:center;"><span class="plainlinks">[[File:slaide.png|100px|link=https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Yrxt9gAtqA_oSDD76Toq8VLSZjjOxJ5rkKsxFs3Cw8E/pub?start=true&loop=false&delayms=5000]]</span><br/><span class="plainlinks">[https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Yrxt9gAtqA_oSDD76Toq8VLSZjjOxJ5rkKsxFs3Cw8E/pub?start=true&loop=false&delayms=5000 Lojban in simple phrases]</span><br/>Also available in [http://mw.lojban.org/images/d/d1/Lojban._How_to_quickly_create_sentences.pdf PDF]. Or try flashcards: [http://www.memrise.com/courses/english/lojban/ Memrise.com] offers on-line Lojban vocabulary flashcards, [http://ankisrs.net/ Anki] is a downloadable alternative.
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|style="padding:3px;border:1px solid black;width: 50%;"| <div style="text-align:center;"><span class="plainlinks">try searching for arbitrary words in<br/>[https://la-lojban.github.io/sutysisku/lojban/#seskari=catni&sisku=pluka&bangu=muplis&versio=masno the database of sentences]<br/>[[Image:La Muplis.png|150px|link=https://la-lojban.github.io/sutysisku/lojban/#seskari=catni&sisku=pluka&bangu=muplis&versio=masno]]<br/>Some of the sentences are not proofread by fluent speakers of Lojban.</span></div>
|-style="vertical-align:top;"
|style="padding:3px;border:1px solid black;width: 50%;"| <div style="text-align:center;"><span class="plainlinks">Join [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_IRC the chat]<br/>[[Image:lo-se-irci.svg|100px|link=https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_IRC]]<br/> and try talking to other Lojbanists when they appear there. Try asking them questions.</span></div>
|style="padding:3px;border:1px solid black;width: 50%;"| [[Image:yt-lesson in lojban i.png|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZjSTUK3hFI]]<br/>«Lessons in Lojban» by Dustin Lacewell
|}

Also check out:

* the [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_vkiwqOIOIJPqZTiomzd4ApUSEQXhEY6CeyZD_6c-PA/edit#gid=0 translation of 'Alice in Wonderland'] by xorxes with a parallel text in English.
<!--[https://archive.org/details/AesopsFablesForLojbanLeaners Aesop's Fables for Lojban Learners], a work in progress. The intent is to start from very basic knowledge of Lojban, gradually learning new features through translating Aesop's Fables.-->
<!-- TODO: Add **OFFICIAL** word lists here if they exist and approved by LLG, by BPFK etc.! -->
=== Dictionaries ===
* [https://la-lojban.github.io/sutysisku/lojban/ la sutysisku] is an online multilingual Lojban dictionary (including English) that also works offline.<!-- Updated at least once a month. --> [http://vlasisku.lojban.org/ la vlasisku] is an alternative for English speakers only that is regularly updated.
* [http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/ la jbovlaste] is an <!--prescriptive, -->editable, multilingual dictionary. It is considered by many to be the current de-facto standard dictionary of Lojban. Many other dictionaries and tools are based on it.
* [http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/stardict.html Stardict dictionaries in some languages] (usable with [http://goldendict.org/ GoldenDict], [https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dictionary-universal/id312088272?mt=8 Dictionary Universal], etc.)
* [http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/gismu-cmavo.html Multilingual gismu (root word) and cmavo (particle) lists in tsv and html formats]
* [[Word frequency lists|Word lists ordered by frequency of use]]
* An unofficial [[Simple gismu|list of simple definitions of gismu]]
<!--* [http://lojban.lilyx.net/zmifanva/ A Lojban-to-English translator]. It is not precise, it can sometimes fail to correctly translate from English to Lojban or vice versa. It can be used to get at least some understanding of how Lojban works.-->

=== [[Learning materials. Secondary links|Other learning materials ...]] ===

== Connect with the community ==
<!--[[Image:yt-the perfect-lang.png|240x160px|«The Perfect Language», an introduction to Lojban by [https://twitter.com/WesleyWilson00 Wesley Wilson]|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIpn0OEpT40|thumb]]-->
[[Image:yt-ro lo maha datka.png|240x160px|«ro lo ma'a datka» and other Lojban songs by [[la guskant]]|link=https://vimeo.com/album/3152276|thumb]]
[[Image:yt-bripre jikca 9.png|240x160px|«bripre jikca», a community literary vlog|link=https://vimeo.com/112783041|thumb]]
[[Image:yt-baho.png|240x160px|«ba'o», a song by [https://djemynai.bandcamp.com La Djemynai]|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG4jyHG-hv8|thumb]]

Lojban is spoken by a vibrant community, producing literature, music, and art, and discussing questions about language and thought. The web comic [https://www.xkcd.com/191/ xkcd] said that, if you spoke Lojban, you'd have to speak with Lojbanists. That may not be such a bad thing!

=== Instant messaging (text chat) ===
<!--At any time of day, there are likely to be Lojbanists available on IRC (Internet Relay Chat) to answer questions or engage in real-time Lojban conversation. Join the chat in your browser with
* <span class="plainlinks">the [https://join.slack.com/t/lojban/shared_invite/zt-k3s96tvq-4mtkvG0ZlW2rFIwTPb4rIg Slack version of the chat],</span>

* <span class="plainlinks">[{{Webchat url qwebirc}} QWebIRC] browser-based clients, or</span>
* [[Lojban_IRC#Trickier_ways_of_connecting|connect with the IRC client of your choice]].
There are three main channels (chat rooms):
# #lojban for discussion about Lojban in any language
# #ckule for the teaching of Lojban and questions from beginners in any Language
# #jbosnu for discussions exclusively in Lojban

The channels sometimes move slowly, so don't lose hope if you don't get a response immediately -- wait around a bit and someone is likely to see your message. Here is an [[IRC cheat sheet|cheat sheet]] for those unfamiliar with IRC.-->

====Connecting to the chat====
Use <u>any</u> of the following messengers (your and others' messages will be available in all of them no matter from which messenger you are sending your questions).

Answers from members of the community will arrive soon.<!--
===Facebook messenger===
Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018.

# Install the free [https://messenger.com Facebook messenger] app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device
# join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbYe-qKnVTDulmi5 lojban]</span> - talk in or about Lojban
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbYwBMXJh2d8FYOE ckule]</span> - ask questions arising while your study of Lojban
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbbkOHJdyXYlZg50 jbosnu]</span> - talk in Lojban only
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/Abaph5Ju2IprttSq jboselbau]</span> - for any offtopic discussions :)
-->

====Telegram====
Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since the beginning of 2016.

# Install the free [https://telegram.org Telegram messenger] on your Apple, Android or your desktop device
# join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsYz3hCF8mCAb6fzW1Rw Lojban], [https://telegram.me/joinchat/BLVsYz4hC9ulWahupDLovA ckule], [https://telegram.me/joinchat/BLVsYz20Boixl0xN-0TrPw jbosnu]</span>
# Ask questions on Lojban in '''ckule''' group, talk in or about Lojban in '''Lojban''' group and talk only in Lojban in '''jbosnu''' group.

====Discord====
The chat is also connected to a [https://discord.gg/BVm4EYR Discord server]. 
# Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule channel, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban channel and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu channel.
# Freely chat about anything to like-minded Lojbanists in the #jboselbau channel.

====Other methods====

You may alternately try [[Lojban_Live_Chat#Direct_web_access|other methods of connecting]].

=== Social media ===
Lojban has a presence on many of the most popular web sites: [[Image:Facebook_Logo_Mini.svg|12px|link=http://facebook.com/groups/Lojban/]] [http://facebook.com/groups/Lojban/ Facebook],  [[Image:reddit-12.png|12px|link=http://www.reddit.com/r/lojban/]] [http://www.reddit.com/r/lojban/ Reddit], [[Image:quora.png|12px|link=http://www.quora.com/Lojban]] [http://www.quora.com/Lojban Quora].

=== Mailing lists ===
The [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/topics lojban-beginners mailing list] is for questions about learning and understanding Lojban. You can subscribe to the list by sending a question to [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com].

The general-purpose [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/topics lojban mailing list], which covers anything else related to Lojban, was founded in 1989, and has about 500 subscribers. You can subscribe to it by sending an email to [mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com lojban@googlegroups.com].

=== International Contacts ===

[[Image:yt higher logic.png|240x160px|an exposition by [[User:Guskant|la guskant]] in Japanese|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzqhNYCWKLo|thumb]]

{| class="wikitable"
! &nbsp; !! Languages spoken
|-
| [[User:Selpahi|la selpa'i]]<br/> [mailto:seladwa@gmx.de seladwa@gmx.de] || English, German
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| [[User:Gleki|la gleki]]<br/> [mailto:bangu@lojban.org bangu@lojban.org] || English, Russian
|-
| [[User:Ilmen|la ilmen]]<br/> [mailto:ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com] || English, French
|-
| [[User:Tsani|la tsani]]<br/> [mailto:nictytan@gmail.com nictytan@gmail.com] || English, French
|-
| [[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]<br/> [mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com jjllambias@gmail.com] || English, Spanish
|-
| [[User:Guskant|la guskant]]<br/> [mailto:gusni.kantu@gmail.com gusni.kantu@gmail.com] || English, French, Chinese, Japanese, Esperanto
|-
| [[User:Remod|la remod]]<br/> [mailto:rdentato@gmail.com rdentato@gmail.com] || English, Italian
|}

=== [[Lojban around the world]] - other ways of communication ... ===

== What's next? ==
* Try reading Lojban [[te gerna la lojban|texts]]. Start with something shorter and easier such as "[[la .teris. po'u lo tirxu cu vitke zi'o le barda tcadu|Terry the Tiger]]" (audio is available) or "[[The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin]]" ([http://guskant.github.io/gerna_cipra/maltufa-1.1.html a parser suitable to those two texts]). When you're ready, move on to "[[le cmalu noltru|The Little Prince]]" (suitable parser: [http://lojban.github.io/ilmentufa/camxes.html camxes]) and "[http://selpahi.de/oz.html The Wonderful Wizard of Oz]" (suitable parser: [[maftufa]]).

* Try your hand at translating into Lojban, or write your own original texts: Poetry, prose, blogs, tweets, etc.
* Continue learning vocabulary using [[Lojbanic Software|memorization software]].
* Help expand the [http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/ dictionary] by translating Lojban words into other languages, or coin new compound words and add them. 

===[[What's next?|More info ...]]===

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