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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">People who wish to read it</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">may find it [[:File</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Scientific_American_Loglan_Article,_by_James_Cooke_Brown.pdf</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in this wiki]] (or [http://members.home.nl/w.dijkhuis/loglan_jcb/Brown_JC_loglan.html here], or can borrow it from </del>a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reasonably large library</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">== Notable things about the description of Loglan as given in the article ==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The reason that the CV templates of the Loglan words turned out the way we all know and love</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is not given. It only says</ins>:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{quotation</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The reader is challenged to find </ins>a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">combination of possible word-forms that does not resolve</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">=== Notable things about the description of Loglan as given in the article ===</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The "little words" (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''lo </ins>[[cmavo]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' in Lojban</ins>) are unified as a class only semantically, not morphologically (phonotactically). The word classes preceding predicates (simple <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">verb words/</ins>predicates (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''lo [[</ins>gismu<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]''' in Lojban</ins>) and complex <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">verb words/</ins>predicates (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''lo [[</ins>lujvo<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]''' in Lojban</ins>) were as follows:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The reason that the CV templates of the Loglan words turned out the way we all know and love, is not given. It only says: "The reader is challenged to find a combination of possible word-forms that does not resolve."</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Connectives: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{lg|</ins>V<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}} </ins>(the article actually says <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{lg|</ins>.V<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</ins>, but this is probably a typo; nothing is mentioned of obligatory pauses in front of vowel-initial words, the period isn't used in this way anywhere else in the article, this use of the period <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">might be </ins>strictly a Lojban innovation)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The "little words" ([[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">cmavo|</del>cmavo]]) are unified as a class only semantically, not morphologically (phonotactically). The word classes preceding predicates (simple predicates (<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">our </del>gismu) and complex predicates (<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">our </del>lujvo<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">)</del>) were as follows:</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Connectives: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>V<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </del>(the article actually says <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>.V<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>, but this is probably a typo; nothing is mentioned of obligatory pauses in front of vowel-initial words, the period isn't used in this way anywhere else in the article<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, and as far as I can tell</del>, this use of the period <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is </del>strictly a Lojban innovation)</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Indicators: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>VV<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Simple operators: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>CV<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Simple operators: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{lg|</ins>CV<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Sentential operators: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>CVV<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Sentential operators: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{lg|</ins>CVV<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Compound operators: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>CV'CV<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </del>(the article consistently uses an apostrophe <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>after<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </del>a syllable to indicate stress, this is probably what is intended here)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Compound operators: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{lg|</ins>CV'CV<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}} </ins>(the article consistently uses an apostrophe <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><u></ins>after<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></u> </ins>a syllable to indicate stress, this is probably what is intended here)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Loglan text that occurs in the tables in the article is written in all capitals, but the examples that occur inside the running text, is written in the [[Standard Average European|SAE]] orthography that is common both to natural languages that use latinate scripts, and Loglan of today. Still, there is some talk about audiovisual isomorphism, and</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Loglan text that occurs in the tables in the article is written in all capitals, but the examples that occur inside the running text, is written in the [[Standard Average European|SAE]] orthography that is common both to natural languages that use latinate scripts, and Loglan of today. Still, there is some talk about audiovisual isomorphism, and Loglan's "spoken punctuation" operators.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Most indicators (<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">our </del>attitudinals) were irrealis. In fact, there is a theoretical possibility that <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ALL </del>of them were irrealis. If we entertain the possibility that even <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>ui<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" </del>(<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">our "</del>.ui<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>) turns a predicate into a non-claim, that does not entail that it turns it into a claim of the opposite.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Most indicators (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''lo [[cnima'o]]''' in Lojban, also known as interjections or </ins>attitudinals) were irrealis. In fact, there is a theoretical possibility that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><u>all</u> </ins>of them were irrealis. If we entertain the possibility that even <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{lg|</ins>ui<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}} </ins>(.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{jvs|</ins>ui<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}} in Lojban</ins>) turns a predicate into a non-claim, that does not entail that it turns it into a claim of the opposite.</div></td></tr>
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Entot at 16:40, 4 November 2013
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