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[[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]'s idea was that people should call each other at mutually convenient times for chats in Lojban.
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The overall goal being to establish a broad level of conversational fluency in the lojban community.
 
The tools to be used are primarily [[Skype]] and direct browser-to-browser chats like [http://appear.in/ appear.in].
 
=== [[jbocre: Phone Group Topics|Phone Group Topics]] ===
 
A <u>lot</u> of people have expressed concern about the phone group with respect to the "well, what would we talk about?" issue.  I'm pretty sure that discussions about that will take up a lot of space, so please see the [[jbocre: Phone Group Topics|Phone Group Topics]] page.
 
Nowadays, [[jbocre: Story Time With Uncle Robin|Story Time With Uncle Robin]] is a recurring topic.
 
=== Current Members ===
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
 
|| Name
|| E-Mail
|| Time
|| Skype ID
|| Expertise
|| <nowiki>#lojban Nickname</nowiki>
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
|| rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=900 PST]
|| rlpowell
|| Expert
|| rlpowell
 
|-
|| Ark Balandin
||
|| GMT + 4
|| ark.balandin
|| Expert
|| .ark.balandin.
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|| fracture@allusion.net
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=75 CST]
||
||
||
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Pierre Abbat|Pierre Abbat]]
|| phma@phma.hn.org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=412 EST]
|| 
|| Beginner
||
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: bancus|Theodore Reed]]
|| rizen@surreality.us
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=865 PST]
|| tedreed
|| Intermediate
|| bancus
 
|-
|| [[User:Tsali|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
|| arj tu'i bu nvg denpa bu org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=288 CET]
||
|| Intermediate
|| Broca
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Xavier|Steve Pomeroy]]
|| steve@staticfree.info
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=43 EST]
|| ?
|| Beginner
|| Xavier
 
|-
|| [[User:xod|xod]]
|| xod ne'i balvi pi'e org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=43 EST]
|| 
|| Intermediate/Expert
||
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: .greg.|greg]]
|| epfl@lojban.org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=945 CET]
|| ?
|| Beginner/Intermediate
||
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Stephen Weeks|Stephen Weeks]]
|| tene@allalone.org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=220 MST]
|| srweeks
|| Intermediate
|| Tene
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: pne|Philip Newton]]
|| [mailto:pne@writeme.com pne@writeme.com]
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=307 CEST]
|| ?
|| Beginner
||
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Matt Arnold|Matt Arnold]]
|| matt.mattarn@gmail.com
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=77 EST]
|| matt_arnold
|| Beginner
|| Eppcott
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Adam Lopresto|Adam Lopresto]]
|| adam ne'i pubcrawler pi'e org
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=605 CDT]
|| adamlopresto
|| Beginner/Intermediate
||
 
|-
|| Kevin Reid
|| kpreid@mac.com
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179 EDT]
|| kpreid
|| Intermediate
|| kpreid
 
|-
|| [[jbocre: Yanis Batura|Yanis Batura]]
|| ybatura@mail.ru
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/results.html?query=Novosibirsk GMT +6]
|| soyendo
|| Beginner
|| Yanis
 
|-
|| Alex Martini
|| alexjm@umich.edu
|| EST
|| amartini51
|| Beginner/Intermediate
|| aleks
 
|-
|| Jonathan Strickland
|| djanatyn@gmail.com
|| [http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179 EDT]
|| ?
|| Beginner/Intermediate
|| djanatyn
 
|-
|| William McMillian
||
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=220 MDT]
|| William McMillian
|| Beginner
|| Very_Bill
 
|-
|| [[User:.rem.klajis.|Remy Way]]
|| rem.klajis@gmail.com
|| EST
|| rem.klajis
|| Beginner/Intermediate
|| remklajis
 
|-
|| Gianmarco Molino
|| mercrutio.undefined@gmail.com
|| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=220 MDT]
|| mercrutio.11235813
|| Beginner
|| mercrutio
 
|-
|| Brett Williams
|| selckiku@gmail.com
|| EST
|| selckiku
|| Expert
|| selckiku
 
|-
|| Ashley P.
|| ashley.akakuro@gmail.com
|| EST
|| kiriel.ambar
|| Beginner
|| eclen
 
|-
|| ?
|| mikkommm@gmail.com
|| GMT+2
|| mikkommm
|| Beginner
|| spfnym
 
|}
 
=== Joining ===
 
We welcome ''anyone'', regardless of expertise, physical location or monetary resources.  If you can't speak much lojban, well, learning to understand others will help.  If you can't afford to make long distance phone calls, one of the other members will be happy to call you.  If that doesn't work, [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]'m willing to pony up calling card money just to get this going.
 
To join, just add people above to your skype friends' list and ask who might be available to talk with you.
 
In an ideal universe, [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]'d like to see people matched up with people of very different levels of ability, to spread the expertise around as quickly as possible, but I'm not hugely attached to that.
 
=== Lojban On The Phone ===
 
Please bear in mind, everyone, that collision avoidance is hard on the phone.  Please become familiar with ta'a, re'i, be'e, je'e, ki'a and ke'o.  Especially that last one.  :-)
 
Here's a [[jbocre: vlaselyle'u|phonetic alphabet]] for spelling words on the phone.
 
=== About Expertise ===
 
The "expertise" field in the members table is currently rather informal, and you are welcome to alter yours as you feel appropriate.  ''However'', [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]] have had my expertise certified, as it were, by [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]], in person.  The reason I bothered, besides my ego, was that I want the option of making the phone group into a ranking system, similar to Chess rankings.  In other words, if you want to be certified Expert level, you ask me or Nick to take some time to call you up and basically hammer away at you for an hour.  You, in turn, can then certify people at rankings below Expert (or, possibly, at or below expert).
 
I doubt very much that it's necessary to say so, but please note that any use of word lists in any such tests would be cheating.
 
The infrastructure to do this is not in place, but I'd like people to keep it in mind as a future goal.  Thanks to tsali's accidental suggestion, allow me to suggest that we will probably charge for the certification, all proceeds to the LLG of course.
 
==== Expertise Rankings ====
 
* Fluent: No concious thought required to speak in Lojban for any but the most complex conversations, and even then the mental work should not normally be about Lojbanic grammar or vocabulary.  A good test for Fluency is whether you are able to engage in a complicated Lojban conversation whilst also doing something else, something that you could do at the same time as having a conversation in your native toungue.
* Expert: Able to engage in conversation in lojban with only minor and occasional pauses for thought.
 
* Intermediate: Comfortable with one of Lojban grammar ''or'' Lojban vocabulary, but not both.
* Beginner: Requires word lists to converse, not comfortable with Lojban grammar.
 
Note that all expertise rankings mentioned on this page are with respect to ''spoken'', ''conversational'' Lojban '''''only'''''.  Note further that neither Nick or [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]] consider ourselves Fluent.  Everyone ''else'' seems to consider Nick fluent, though, so this may just be that we have high standards of the word Fluency.  Since I started this group, though, I get to define the terms.
 
There used to be a mailing list for discussing the phone group; it was called jbofongri, and can be found [http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ here].

Revision as of 16:42, 18 March 2014

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