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''TLI Loglan'' - the original version of Loglan, which many of us feel to be inferior to [[Lojban Description|Lojban]], is still available. Go to [http://www.loglan.org/ http://www.loglan.org/].
''TLI Loglan'' - the original version of Loglan, being developed by the Academy of Loglan. In 1987 based on the original Loglan a new language called Lojban appeared thus leading to a split between the two languages.


There is also [https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/loglanists the ''Loglanists'' mailing list] (archived only from 2013 on).
[[The Logical Language Group]] claims that the word ''Loglan'' is generic, and applies to [[Lojban]] as well. It was vindicated after a drawn-out legal process. Because the Loglan effort was coordinated by [[The Loglan Institute|The Loglan Institute]], one will also see the older variant of the language called ''Institute Loglan''.  TLI itself grants this point, and refers to the language it develops as TLI Loglan when the context requires a distinction from the sister languages.


[[The Logical Language Group]] claims that the word ''Loglan'' is generic, and applies to [[Lojban]] as well. It was vindicated after a drawn-out legal process. Because the Loglan effort was coordinated by [[The Loglan Institute|The Loglan Institute]], one will also see the older variant of the language called ''Institute Loglan''.
This wiki uses angular brackets to mark texts in TLI Loglan, e.g.: <blanu>, <djifoa>.
==Lojban vs. Loglan. Comparison==
Correspondence between English names of grammatical terms for Loglan and their names in Lojban.
* terminology
** prim(itive) = [[gismu]] (see also [[gismu != primitives|gismu != primitives]])
** borrowing = [[fu'ivla|fu'ivla]]
** complex, CPX = [[lujvo|lujvo]] (hence pluja valsi)
** metaphor = [[tanru|tanru]]
** little word, LW = [[cmavo|cmavo]] (hence cmalu valsi!)
** affix, <nowiki><djifoa></nowiki> = [[rafsi|rafsi]]
** [[lexeme|lexeme]] = [[selma'o|selma'o]] (in the extended sense)
** [[GMR|GMR]] (Great Morphological Revolution) = introduction of rafsi system into the language (pre-split)
* Phonetics/Orthography
** Vowels
*** diphthongs are <ai>, <ei>, <oi>, <ao> (= '''au''' in Lojban)
*** optional diphthongs are "iV", "uV"
*** all other vowel pairs are pronounced with glides
*** no equivalent of Lojbanic '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''', so no contrast like '''ai'''/'''a'i'''
** Consonants
*** role of '''x''' is taken by <h>
*** Extra letters (used only in names, borrowings):
**** <x>, pronounced as in Lojban
**** <nowiki><q>, IPA </nowiki><nowiki>[T]</nowiki> = English unvoiced ''th''
**** <w>, IPA <nowiki>[y]</nowiki> = German ''ü'', French ''u''
** Capitalization follows the pattern standard for the European languages: used in the beginning of a sentence and for proper names. Nonstandard stress is marked by an apostrophe preceding the stressed syllable.
* Morphology
** basically the same at time of split
** Loglan has added a new rule: in any lujvo beginning CVCC, where CC is a permissible initial, change to CVCyC.  This eliminates the need for the [[slinku'i]] test. There are some other differences, notably in formation of borrowings.
* Vocabulary
** Gismu
*** formed on the same principles
*** very different in detail due to different weights (much more English-y) and presence of <h> instead of '''x'''
*** see also [[Borrowing from Loglan|Borrowing from Loglan]]
*** see also [[The x2 place of blanu|The x2 place of blanu]]
** Rafsi
*** don't necessarily have just one of CVC, CCV, or CVV forms, but maximum is still three
** Fu'ivla
*** often use <h>-clusters to "solve" morphological problems (e.g. <athomi> = ''x1 is an atom'')
** Cmavo
*** show various "sound law" changes, e.g. Loglan <gu> = Lojban '''ku''' (but much more general "universal" terminator), Loglan <no> = Lojban '''na''', Loglan <noi> = Lojban '''nai''', Loglan "kek"s = Lojban GA, Loglan "cek"s = Lojban JA.
* Grammar
** masses/sets
** abstraction
** modals
** tenses
** relative clauses
** Imperative
*** formed by omitting the x1 argument
** [[mekso|mekso]]
** attitudinals
** negation
** termsets
** Vocatives: <hoi> instead of '''doi''' (as in <[http://www.loglan.org/Texts/vizka-la-spat.html rano, hoi Spat. I prano.]>)
* Usage/Style
** [[ELG: Raising|sumti raising]]
==Dictionaries==
Here are the current trial drafts of the [http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/E-to-L-RH1.html English-to-Loglan] and [http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/L-to-E-RH1.html Loglan-to-English] dictionaries with latest trial words by Randall Holmes, the CEO of TLI, added.
==Mapping between Loglan "prims" and Lojban brivla==
http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oldlog.txt


See also
=Links=
* [[LojbanicMythology|Lojbanic Mythology]]
* [http://www.loglan.org/ www.loglan.org] - the official website
* [[Borrowing from Loglan|Borrowing from Loglan]]
* [https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/loglanists the ''Loglanists ''mailing list] (archived only from 2013 on)
* [[Lojban vs Loglan comparison|Lojban vs Loglan: comparison]]
* [[LojbanicMythology]]
* [[Borrowing from Loglan]]
* [[The Loglan-Lojban Dispute]]
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Latest revision as of 11:37, 15 October 2014

TLI Loglan - the original version of Loglan, being developed by the Academy of Loglan. In 1987 based on the original Loglan a new language called Lojban appeared thus leading to a split between the two languages.

The Logical Language Group claims that the word Loglan is generic, and applies to Lojban as well. It was vindicated after a drawn-out legal process. Because the Loglan effort was coordinated by The Loglan Institute, one will also see the older variant of the language called Institute Loglan. TLI itself grants this point, and refers to the language it develops as TLI Loglan when the context requires a distinction from the sister languages.

This wiki uses angular brackets to mark texts in TLI Loglan, e.g.: <blanu>, <djifoa>.

Lojban vs. Loglan. Comparison

Correspondence between English names of grammatical terms for Loglan and their names in Lojban.

  • terminology
  • Phonetics/Orthography
    • Vowels
      • diphthongs are <ai>, <ei>, <oi>, <ao> (= au in Lojban)
      • optional diphthongs are "iV", "uV"
      • all other vowel pairs are pronounced with glides
      • no equivalent of Lojbanic ', so no contrast like ai/a'i
    • Consonants
      • role of x is taken by <h>
      • Extra letters (used only in names, borrowings):
        • <x>, pronounced as in Lojban
        • <q>, IPA [T] = English unvoiced th
        • <w>, IPA [y] = German ü, French u
    • Capitalization follows the pattern standard for the European languages: used in the beginning of a sentence and for proper names. Nonstandard stress is marked by an apostrophe preceding the stressed syllable.
  • Morphology
    • basically the same at time of split
    • Loglan has added a new rule: in any lujvo beginning CVCC, where CC is a permissible initial, change to CVCyC. This eliminates the need for the slinku'i test. There are some other differences, notably in formation of borrowings.
  • Vocabulary
    • Gismu
    • Rafsi
      • don't necessarily have just one of CVC, CCV, or CVV forms, but maximum is still three
    • Fu'ivla
      • often use <h>-clusters to "solve" morphological problems (e.g. <athomi> = x1 is an atom)
    • Cmavo
      • show various "sound law" changes, e.g. Loglan <gu> = Lojban ku (but much more general "universal" terminator), Loglan <no> = Lojban na, Loglan <noi> = Lojban nai, Loglan "kek"s = Lojban GA, Loglan "cek"s = Lojban JA.
  • Grammar
    • masses/sets
    • abstraction
    • modals
    • tenses
    • relative clauses
    • Imperative
      • formed by omitting the x1 argument
    • mekso
    • attitudinals
    • negation
    • termsets
    • Vocatives: <hoi> instead of doi (as in <rano, hoi Spat. I prano.>)
  • Usage/Style

Dictionaries

Here are the current trial drafts of the English-to-Loglan and Loglan-to-English dictionaries with latest trial words by Randall Holmes, the CEO of TLI, added.

Mapping between Loglan "prims" and Lojban brivla

http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oldlog.txt

Links