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[[jbocre: The Book|The Book]] gives explicit examples of [[jbocre: ce'u|ce'u]] being assumed to be in non-x1 and filled-x1 places. Does it give such examples of ke'a being elided and assumed to be elsewhere than x1? In usage I have never seen anyone pull either stunt. They elide ce'u and ke'a when in x1, and add it when not in x1, and really don't stick the sumti in a place that's already filled, something I don't understand but would use "poi ce'u" if I did.--xod
==  Minutes of the 2006 Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc. ==


'' Chapter 8, 1.8)    tu poi le mlatu pu lacpu cu ratcu  That-distant-thing which the cat drags is-a-rat'' Wouldn't that be ''which the cat dragged''?
The 2006 Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language


I see what you're doing, but I judge this to really be meaningless because there is no ke'a, express or implied. How do I know tu is the rat and not the cat? Only by reading the English. You need zi'e. --xod
Group, Inc. was called to order on Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:49:43 PDT.


(One week later) OK I see it there in the book. It is justified because there is a finger gesture going along with the sentence. I still don't like it, and have never seen it, and will not use it. --xod
It was conducted on the llg-members mailing list.


* The ke'a-convention is in place; and that's how the convention reads it. Such usage certainly predates the refgramm, and is obviously inherited from English. But to say it is meaningless is itself meaningless: the refgramm says it, and says how it is to be interpreted, so it is by definition (literally) correct Lojban. Further, to interpret a full sumti as being the equivalent of ke'a seems to me decidedly odd. -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]].
===  Roll Call ===


Well, we have whacked on the question of [[jbocre: ce'u|ce'u]] being inferred in full sumti ''ad nauseam'', but now [[User:xod|xod]] seems to be suggesting that ke'a might colocate with an express sumti.  What is ''that'' supposed to mean?
Roll call was waived, as all members were believed to have valid


''What does le ka mi prami mean, if ce'u is elided from prami1? It is a phrase doing double duty; {le ka ce'u prami kei noi mi ckaji ke'a} (which is a lot clearer than the other offered interpretation of {le ka ce'u prami kei pe mi}, which doesn't boldly state the same. Context is needed). Similarly, a yahoo might be tempted to do likewise with ke'a, but it's too early in the morning for me to try such a perverse usage. --xod''
e-mail addresses on the list.  A list of members who actually


Erm, um (and this belongs to [[jbocre: ce'u|ce'u]], I know) --- I have the impression that the clear majority of Lojbanists has strepitously rejected {le ka mi prami} = {le ka ce'u prami kei noi mi ckaji ke'a}. This interpretation is the "natural" one ("the quality of me loving" ~= "loving as a characteristic of me"), and the one that had been in use in the past (which is why I was trying to make it work with ce'u). But after the outcry, and the resulting cleanup ({ka} means the {ce'u} must be unfilled, else it turns into {du'u}), I don't see such an interpretation coming back. -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
participated (commented or voted) is as follows:
 
* [[User: Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
* [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]]
 
* Craig Daniel
* David Barton
 
* Gary Burgess
* [[jbocre: Jay Kominek|Jay Kominek]]
 
* [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* John B. Hodges
 
* [[User:xorxes|Jorge Llambias]]
* Mark E. Shoulson
 
* [[jbocre: Matt Arnold|Matt Arnold]]
* [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]
 
* PaulFrancis O'Sullivan
* [[jbocre: Pierre Abbat|Pierre Abbat]]
 
* [[jbocre: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
* Robin Turner
 
* [[jbocre: Theodore Reed|Theodore Reed]]
* Stephen Weeks
 
* TommyLee Whitlock
* Veijo Vilva
 
* Yann Le Du
 
===  Reading of Minutes ===
 
Deferred by providing a link for people to read at their leisure.
 
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=LLG+2005+Annual+Meeting+Minutes&bl
 
===  Officer's Reports ===
 
Accepted by acclamation.
 
~pp~
 
President's Report
 
------------------
 
- Evgueniy Sklyanin has handed over the (mostly, but not quite
 
finished) gismu list to Yanis Batura.
 
- There have been two logfests this period. The first was at Philcon
 
2005 in Philadelphia on December 9th - 11th, 2005, and was arranged
 
by Robin; the second was at Penguicon 2006 in Michigan on April 21st
 
- 23rd, 2006, and was arranged by Matt. Both ahave reportedly been
 
fairly successful events.
 
- Jbovlaste has been steadily expanded, with about 150 edits since
 
last meeting.
 
- The Wiki has now been pressed into service as a Content Management
 
System for www.lojban.org. Some Officers have been given admin
 
privileges, and are actively maintaining the official pages on the
 
site, giving Robin some much-deserved relief.
 
- The BPFK is currently stuck in the Attitudinals checkpoint. There is
 
little controversial material here; it's just that the sections are
 
numerous, large, and very boring. There is also a lack of shepherds
 
who are able and willing to put in an effort.
 
~/pp~
 
~pp~
 
Treasurer's Report
 
------------------
 
This is also my report to the board for 2Q2006.
 
Main account balance at this time (more or less) last year: $2,264.80
 
Main account balance: $3,823.31
 
Main account balance according to QuickBooks: $3,721.60
 
Still not sure where the extra money came from, but dealing with
 
Wachovia is so difficult I no longer much care.
 
PayPal account balances; current balance is $46.79
 
That means we have a total of:
 
$3870.10
 
In addition, the Treasurer has not missed or been late for a single
 
quarterly report this year, a fact of which he is quite proud.
 
~/pp~
 
===  Committee Reports ===
 
Accepted by acclamation.
 
~pp~
 
New Book Keeping Procedures
 
---------------------------
 
Doing just as well as last year.  I move that this be abolished as a
 
committe, since it only amounts to the Treasurer's regular duties at
 
this point.
 
~/pp~
 
~pp~
 
BPFK


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Non-x1 ''ke'a'' makes perfect sense to me, and I have used it. See [http://satirist.org/lojban/cuvjbo/balfihe/] - ''mi di'i roldei finti bau le glico pa se cpinyctusku ja ke ckasu pinka noi zo balfi'e cmene'' for example, with ''ke'a'' implied at the end. ''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]''
Copied from Arnt's presidential report:
 
- The BPFK is currently stuck in the Attitudinals checkpoint. There
 
is little controversial material here; it's just that the sections
 
are numerous, large, and very boring. There is also a lack of
 
shepherds who are able and willing to put in an effort.
 
~/pp~
 
===  Election of New Members ===
 
None.
 
===  Removal of Old Members ===
 
None.
 
===  Election of the Board ===
 
* Robin Lee Powell
* Bob LeChevalier
 
* Matt Arnold
* Jay Kominek
 
* Arnt Richard Johansen
 
===  Old Business ===
 
None.
 
===  New Business ===
 
Various conversations about the BPFK and Lojban/Klingon activities
 
occoured; none resulted in actual motions or voting.
 
The following was passed by general consent:
 
^
 
First, I move that we commend Robin on his outstdanding work on
 
samxarmuj (the Lojban MOO, which is now basically open for usage, in
 
case no one else was aware). It's certainly an interesting method of
 
getting people involved and learning the language in a fun and
 
interactive way, which has been difficult to come up with given our
 
relative lack of proximity to one another.
 
Second, and in the same vein, I move that we commend Matt Arnold on
 
his lojban evangelism. He seems to have a good group going on out
 
there in Michigan, and he seems to be very good at coming up with
 
ways
 
to get people interested. I'm still looking forward to the next
 
jbocradi.
 
In both of these, you see the doors opening wide for new Lojbanists,
 
who we really do need to keep this language moving forward. I'd like
 
to commend both of these gentlemen on their outstanding efforts.


I can't figure out what people are arguing above. xod, do you still believe that ''tu poi le mlatu pu lacpu cu ratcu'' has no implied ''ke'a''? It's quite clear that it goes after ''lacpu'' (the first unfilled place). --[[jbocre: rab.spir|rab.spir]]
^

Revision as of 17:00, 4 November 2013

Minutes of the 2006 Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc.

The 2006 Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language

Group, Inc. was called to order on Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:49:43 PDT.

It was conducted on the llg-members mailing list.

Roll Call

Roll call was waived, as all members were believed to have valid

e-mail addresses on the list. A list of members who actually

participated (commented or voted) is as follows:

  • Craig Daniel
  • David Barton
  • TommyLee Whitlock
  • Veijo Vilva
  • Yann Le Du

Reading of Minutes

Deferred by providing a link for people to read at their leisure.

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=LLG+2005+Annual+Meeting+Minutes&bl

Officer's Reports

Accepted by acclamation.

~pp~

President's Report


- Evgueniy Sklyanin has handed over the (mostly, but not quite

finished) gismu list to Yanis Batura.

- There have been two logfests this period. The first was at Philcon

2005 in Philadelphia on December 9th - 11th, 2005, and was arranged

by Robin; the second was at Penguicon 2006 in Michigan on April 21st

- 23rd, 2006, and was arranged by Matt. Both ahave reportedly been

fairly successful events.

- Jbovlaste has been steadily expanded, with about 150 edits since

last meeting.

- The Wiki has now been pressed into service as a Content Management

System for www.lojban.org. Some Officers have been given admin

privileges, and are actively maintaining the official pages on the

site, giving Robin some much-deserved relief.

- The BPFK is currently stuck in the Attitudinals checkpoint. There is

little controversial material here; it's just that the sections are

numerous, large, and very boring. There is also a lack of shepherds

who are able and willing to put in an effort.

~/pp~

~pp~

Treasurer's Report


This is also my report to the board for 2Q2006.

Main account balance at this time (more or less) last year: $2,264.80

Main account balance: $3,823.31

Main account balance according to QuickBooks: $3,721.60

Still not sure where the extra money came from, but dealing with

Wachovia is so difficult I no longer much care.

PayPal account balances; current balance is $46.79

That means we have a total of:

$3870.10

In addition, the Treasurer has not missed or been late for a single

quarterly report this year, a fact of which he is quite proud.

~/pp~

Committee Reports

Accepted by acclamation.

~pp~

New Book Keeping Procedures


Doing just as well as last year. I move that this be abolished as a

committe, since it only amounts to the Treasurer's regular duties at

this point.

~/pp~

~pp~

BPFK


Copied from Arnt's presidential report:

- The BPFK is currently stuck in the Attitudinals checkpoint. There

is little controversial material here; it's just that the sections

are numerous, large, and very boring. There is also a lack of

shepherds who are able and willing to put in an effort.

~/pp~

Election of New Members

None.

Removal of Old Members

None.

Election of the Board

  • Robin Lee Powell
  • Bob LeChevalier
  • Matt Arnold
  • Jay Kominek
  • Arnt Richard Johansen

Old Business

None.

New Business

Various conversations about the BPFK and Lojban/Klingon activities

occoured; none resulted in actual motions or voting.

The following was passed by general consent:

^

First, I move that we commend Robin on his outstdanding work on

samxarmuj (the Lojban MOO, which is now basically open for usage, in

case no one else was aware). It's certainly an interesting method of

getting people involved and learning the language in a fun and

interactive way, which has been difficult to come up with given our

relative lack of proximity to one another.

Second, and in the same vein, I move that we commend Matt Arnold on

his lojban evangelism. He seems to have a good group going on out

there in Michigan, and he seems to be very good at coming up with

ways

to get people interested. I'm still looking forward to the next

jbocradi.

In both of these, you see the doors opening wide for new Lojbanists,

who we really do need to keep this language moving forward. I'd like

to commend both of these gentlemen on their outstanding efforts.

^