https://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=ISO-generated_fu%27ivla_for_scripts&feed=atom&action=historyISO-generated fu'ivla for scripts - Revision history2024-03-29T07:58:48ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.38.4https://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=ISO-generated_fu%27ivla_for_scripts&diff=122689&oldid=prevKrtisfranks: /* Source Standard and Paradigm */2018-03-14T02:13:35Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Source Standard and Paradigm</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Once we select an introducer, then we should forbid the creation of any brivla which consists of that introducer(s) followed by (concatenated with) anything other than a string which does not contain a consonant cluster within that substring's first four lerfu, unless the brivla is a zi'evla or lujvo which is explicitly and (in a reasonable way) semantically derived from a fu'ivla produced by this algorithm (and, in the case of lujvo, the valsi produced by this algorithm should be a veljvo and it or a mutation of it should be acting as a rafsi).</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Once we select an introducer, then we should forbid the creation of any brivla which consists of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">or contains </ins>that introducer(s) followed by (concatenated with) anything other than a string which does not contain a consonant cluster within that substring's first four lerfu, unless the brivla is a zi'evla or lujvo which is explicitly and (in a reasonable way) semantically derived from a fu'ivla produced by this algorithm (and, in the case of lujvo, the valsi produced by this algorithm should be a veljvo and it or a mutation of it should be acting as a rafsi)<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. rafsi are allowed if used appropriately.</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Krtisfrankshttps://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=ISO-generated_fu%27ivla_for_scripts&diff=122687&oldid=prevKrtisfranks: /* #3: Introducer Selection */2018-03-14T01:51:36Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">#3: Introducer Selection</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''UPDATE:''' According to expert and registrar by the ISO 15924 Registration Authority, Michael Everson, the casing does ''NOT'' matter. For more information check [https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qps5n78DSzc6BioDN9dCWF3sUqFlzSin the content of this link]. Any mention of casing throughout the rest of this article should be ignored; the algorithm which converts ISO 15924 (Alpha) codes to Lojban fu'ivla or back will not take casing into account; all letters in the ISO 15924 Alpha code will bijectively map to the same (phonotactic-context-dependent) string of lerfu (either 'Cu', 'Ce', 'V', or 'hV') in the Lojban fu'ivla, regardless of the casing with which they are conventionally given/displayed in indices or registration files. So, for example, "Zmth", "zmth", "zMth", "ZMTH", etc. will all map to "zumutuxe", regardless of which letters in the ISO code name/string are capital and which are lowercase; meanwhile, each of those ISO code names/strings shall be considered equivalent and "zumutuxe" shall map back to them all. [[User:Krtisfranks|Krtisfranks]] ([[User talk:Krtisfranks|talk]]) 01:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==== Update ====</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''UPDATE:''' According to expert and registrar by the ISO 15924 Registration Authority, Michael Everson, the casing does ''NOT'' matter. For more information check [https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qps5n78DSzc6BioDN9dCWF3sUqFlzSin the content of this link]. Any mention of casing throughout the rest of this article should be ignored; the algorithm which converts ISO 15924 (Alpha) codes to Lojban fu'ivla or back will not take casing into account; all letters in the ISO 15924 Alpha code will bijectively map to the same (phonotactic-context-dependent) string of lerfu (either 'Cu', 'Ce', 'V', or 'hV') in the Lojban fu'ivla, regardless of the casing with which they are conventionally given/displayed in indices or registration files. So, for example, "Zmth", "zmth", "zMth", "ZMTH", etc. will all map to "zumutuxe", regardless of which letters in the ISO code name/string are capital and which are lowercase; meanwhile, each of those ISO code names/strings shall be considered equivalent and "zumutuxe" shall map back to them all. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">- </ins>[[User:Krtisfranks|Krtisfranks]] ([[User talk:Krtisfranks|talk]]) 01:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Each vowel V (except "Y"/"y") will be mapped to ''V'' if it is the first letter in the code and does not immediately follow a vowel, and to ''`V'' if it is any subsequent letter in the code or immediately follows a vowel.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Each vowel V (except "Y"/"y") will be mapped to ''V'' if it is the first letter in the code and does not immediately follow a vowel, and to ''`V'' <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(id est: ''hV'') </ins>if it is any subsequent letter in the code or immediately follows a vowel.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''UPDATE:''' According to expert and registrar by the ISO 15924 Registration Authority, Michael Everson, the casing does ''NOT'' matter. For more information check [https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qps5n78DSzc6BioDN9dCWF3sUqFlzSin the content of this link]. Any mention of casing throughout the rest of this article should be ignored; the algorithm which converts ISO 15924 (Alpha) codes to Lojban fu'ivla or back will not take casing into account; all letters in the ISO 15924 Alpha code will bijectively map to the same (phonotactic-context-dependent) string of lerfu (either 'Cu', 'Ce', 'V', or 'hV') in the Lojban fu'ivla, regardless of the casing with which they are conventionally given/displayed in indices or registration files. So, for example, "Zmth", "zmth", "zMth", "ZMTH", etc. will all map to "zumutuxe", regardless of which letters in the ISO code name/string are capital and which are lowercase; meanwhile, each of those ISO code names/strings shall be considered equivalent and "zumutuxe" shall map back to them all.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''UPDATE:''' According to expert and registrar by the ISO 15924 Registration Authority, Michael Everson, the casing does ''NOT'' matter. For more information check [https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qps5n78DSzc6BioDN9dCWF3sUqFlzSin the content of this link]. Any mention of casing throughout the rest of this article should be ignored; the algorithm which converts ISO 15924 (Alpha) codes to Lojban fu'ivla or back will not take casing into account; all letters in the ISO 15924 Alpha code will bijectively map to the same (phonotactic-context-dependent) string of lerfu (either 'Cu', 'Ce', 'V', or 'hV') in the Lojban fu'ivla, regardless of the casing with which they are conventionally given/displayed in indices or registration files. So, for example, "Zmth", "zmth", "zMth", "ZMTH", etc. will all map to "zumutuxe", regardless of which letters in the ISO code name/string are capital and which are lowercase; meanwhile, each of those ISO code names/strings shall be considered equivalent and "zumutuxe" shall map back to them all. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:Krtisfranks|Krtisfranks]] ([[User talk:Krtisfranks|talk]]) 01:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''UPDATE:''' According to expert and registrar by the ISO 15924 Registration Authority, Michael Everson, the casing does ''NOT'' matter. For more information check [https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qps5n78DSzc6BioDN9dCWF3sUqFlzSin the content of this link]. Any mention of casing throughout the rest of this article should be ignored; the algorithm which converts ISO 15924 (Alpha) codes to Lojban fu'ivla or back will not take casing into account; all letters in the ISO 15924 Alpha code will bijectively map to the same (phonotactic-context-dependent) string of lerfu (either 'Cu', 'Ce', 'V', or 'hV') in the Lojban fu'ivla, regardless of the casing with which they are conventionally given/displayed in indices or registration files. So, for example, "Zmth", "zmth", "zMth", "ZMTH", etc. will all map to "zumutuxe", regardless of which letters in the ISO code name/string are capital and which are lowercase; meanwhile, each of those ISO code names/strings shall be considered equivalent and "zumutuxe" shall map back to them all.</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Krtisfrankshttps://mw-live.lojban.org/index.php?title=ISO-generated_fu%27ivla_for_scripts&diff=122628&oldid=prevKrtisfranks at 20:43, 3 March 20182018-03-03T20:43:30Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Source Standard ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Source Standard <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and Paradigm </ins>==</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The proposed source material would be ISO 15924, probably the Alpha-4 codes.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The proposed source material would be ISO 15924, probably the Alpha-4 codes.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The paradigm will be that which is referenced [[ISO generated cultural fu'ivla|here]].</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Second, exactly the first letter in the codes is capitalized for scripts unlike the other codes which are monotone in casing or do not seem to care. krtisfránks is not yet sure if this is a requirement of the standard. If it is, then we can ignore this issue because any output from the borrowing algorithm will just be assumed to follow this rule (wherein the first letter is capital and all others are lowercase). If not, then we must address this convention. In any case, if really desired, we could create an additional syllable that indicates the capitalization of exactly the next letter (the others defaulting to lowercase). This could be useful for sticklers who want to be careful with all codes or for use with comes wherein capitalization is important.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Second, exactly the first letter in the codes is capitalized for scripts unlike the other codes which are monotone in casing or do not seem to care. krtisfránks is not yet sure if this is a requirement of the standard. If it is, then we can ignore this issue because any output from the borrowing algorithm will just be assumed to follow this rule (wherein the first letter is capital and all others are lowercase). If not, then we must address this convention. In any case, if really desired, we could create an additional syllable that indicates the capitalization of exactly the next letter (the others defaulting to lowercase). This could be useful for sticklers who want to be careful with all codes or for use with comes wherein capitalization is important.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=== #3: Introducer Selection ===</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=== #3: Introducer Selection ===</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Third, and this is the important one, we have to choose an appropriate gismu as the introducer. Three options immediately come to mind: "ciska", "lerfu", and "cilfu".</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Third, and this is the important one, we have to choose an appropriate gismu as the introducer. Three options immediately come to mind: "ciska", "lerfu", and "cilfu".</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* "ciska" is not entirely appropriate since it cares about the writer, the medium, and the ink in addition to what is actually written. Even then, it is really about the writing itself rather than the system of symbols that is being employed. It does have a cmarafsi which might be nice but it is not overly useful.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* "ciska" is not entirely appropriate since it cares about the writer, the medium, and the ink in addition to what is actually written. Even then, it is really about the writing itself rather than the system of symbols that is being employed. It does have a cmarafsi which might be nice but it is not overly useful.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* "lerfu" is pretty nice. It would be better if we could use "selyle'u", but at least the relationship is there. The downsides are that it ends with "-u", making it potentially confusing or garden-pathing since the letters in the code will usually be turned into syllables of the form '-Cu-'. For example, "lerfuzumutuxe" (Zmth) might be confused for "Fzmt... oh, there is an 'h'...". Also, if we ever want to name individual symbols using an introducer (such as borrowing from Unicode or random names), the two conventions in Lojban would at least be confusing with one another - and they could easily conflict or lead to garden-pathing. There might already be zi'evla which cause such problems. The upside is that there are cmarafsi, so the word length can be reduced and we can more closely follow the model of "bangu"-introduced borrowings, rather than "gugde"-introduced ones. (But we would have to adapt since "lerfu" is not as versatile as "bangu". This is a small technical matter. The cmarafsi of "lerfu" are much nicer than of "ciska".)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* "lerfu" is pretty nice. It would be better if we could use "selyle'u", but at least the relationship is there. The downsides are that it ends with "-u", making it potentially confusing or garden-pathing since the letters in the code will usually be turned into syllables of the form '-Cu-'. For example, "lerfuzumutuxe" (Zmth) might be confused for "Fzmt... oh, there is an 'h'...". Also, if we ever want to name individual symbols using an introducer (such as borrowing from Unicode or random names), the two conventions in Lojban would at least be confusing with one another - and they could easily conflict or lead to garden-pathing. There might already be zi'evla which cause such problems. The upside is that there are cmarafsi, so the word length can be reduced and we can more closely follow the model of "bangu"-introduced borrowings, rather than "gugde"-introduced ones. (But we would have to adapt since "lerfu" is not as versatile as "bangu". This is a small technical matter. The cmarafsi of "lerfu" are much nicer than of "ciska".)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Third, and this is the important one, we have to choose an appropriate gismu as the introducer. Three options immediately come to mind: "ciska", "lerfu", and "cilfu".</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Third, and this is the important one, we have to choose an appropriate gismu as the introducer. Three options immediately come to mind: "ciska", "lerfu", and "cilfu".</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*"ciska" is not entirely appropriate since it cares about the writer, the medium, and the ink in addition to what is actually written. Even then, it is really about the writing itself rather than the system of symbols that is being employed. It does have a cmarafsi which might be nice but it is not overly useful.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* "ciska" is not entirely appropriate since it cares about the writer, the medium, and the ink in addition to what is actually written. Even then, it is really about the writing itself rather than the system of symbols that is being employed. It does have a cmarafsi which might be nice but it is not overly useful.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*"lerfu" is pretty nice. It would be better if we could use "selyle'u", but at least the relationship is there. The downsides are that it ends with "-u", making it potentially confusing since the letters in the code will usually be turned into syllables of the form '-Cu-'. For example, "lerfuzumutuxe" (Zmth) might be confused for "Fzmt... oh, there is an 'h'...". Also, if we ever want to name individual symbols using an introducer (such as borrowing from Unicode or random names), the two conventions in Lojban would at least be confusing- and they could easily conflict or lead to garden-pathing. There might already be zi'evla which cause such problems. The upside is that there are cmarafsi, so the word length can be reduced and we can more closely follow the model of "bangu"-introduced borrowings than "gugde"-introduced ones. (But we would have to adapt since "lerfu" is not as versatile as "bangu". This is a small technical matter. The cmarafsi of "lerfu" are much nicer than of "ciska".)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* "lerfu" is pretty nice. It would be better if we could use "selyle'u", but at least the relationship is there. The downsides are that it ends with "-u", making it potentially confusing <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">or garden-pathing </ins>since the letters in the code will usually be turned into syllables of the form '-Cu-'. For example, "lerfuzumutuxe" (Zmth) might be confused for "Fzmt... oh, there is an 'h'...". Also, if we ever want to name individual symbols using an introducer (such as borrowing from Unicode or random names), the two conventions in Lojban would at least be confusing <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">with one another </ins>- and they could easily conflict or lead to garden-pathing. There might already be zi'evla which cause such problems. The upside is that there are cmarafsi, so the word length can be reduced and we can more closely follow the model of "bangu"-introduced borrowings<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, rather </ins>than "gugde"-introduced ones. (But we would have to adapt since "lerfu" is not as versatile as "bangu". This is a small technical matter. The cmarafsi of "lerfu" are much nicer than of "ciska".)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*"cilfu" does not have the problem with semantics that the "ciska" and "lerfu" have; it definitely means "script" and can only mean that (no need to worry about borrowing names for individual symbols). It suffers from the terminal "-u" issue though. It also has no cmarafsi. And it is redundant. Why create a fu'ivla when a link-sumti construct would do? On the other hand, this redundancy could be viewed as making this word the prime candidate for the job. (I (krtisfránks) do think that the codes should be borrowed; so, if the job must be done, maybe this is the best way to do it.)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* "cilfu" does not have the problem with semantics that the "ciska" and "lerfu" have; it definitely means "script" and can only mean that (no need to worry about borrowing names for individual symbols). It suffers from the terminal "-u" issue though. It also has no cmarafsi. And it is redundant. Why create a fu'ivla when a link-sumti construct would do? On the other hand, this redundancy could be viewed as making this word the prime candidate for the job. (I (krtisfránks) do think that the codes should be borrowed; so, if the job must be done, maybe this is the best way to do it.)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>krtisfránks personally likes "lerfu" or "cilfu" for this role. Perhaps if their final vowels <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">are </del>edited ("''lerfa''-"? "''cilfe''-"?), they would be better. Then it is a matter of choosing either redundancy and word length <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">or </del>potential conflicts with future borrowings.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>krtisfránks personally likes "lerfu" or "cilfu" for this role <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(in increasing order of preference)</ins>. Perhaps if their final vowels <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">were </ins>edited ("''lerfa''-"? "''cilfe''-"?), <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">then </ins>they would be better. Then it is a matter of choosing either redundancy and word length <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">versus </ins>potential conflicts with future borrowings <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and improper semantics</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>An alternative would be to let the introducer be "''slerfa''-" or something similar for "selyle'u" and correcting the terminal "-u"; this might even lend itself to shorter words in some situations ("''sler''-"). The bad news about this option is the fact that a word (and not just a rafsi-like fragment) called "slerfa" (or whatever<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">; and, </del>yes, I know that "slerfa" is not itself a Lojban word even in possibility), which would then conflict with the motivations of this proposal. We could book the word in order to pre-empt this possibility, but it would be a bit of a waste of brivla space.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>An alternative would be to let the introducer be "''slerfa''-" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(</ins>or something similar<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">) </ins>for "selyle'u" and correcting the terminal "-u"; this might even lend itself to shorter words in some situations (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">by using </ins>"''sler<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(f)</ins>''-"). The bad news about this option is the fact that a word (and not just a rafsi-like fragment) called "slerfa" (or whatever<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">) could come to be created (</ins>yes, I know that "slerfa" is not itself a Lojban word even in possibility <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">- but I am using "slerfa" as a placeholder here</ins>), which would then conflict with the motivations of this proposal. We could book the word in order to pre-empt this possibility, but it would be a bit of a waste of brivla space.</div></td></tr>
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