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Esperanto activity is also called ''green star business'' ('''lo crino tartai cuntu''''').''
Esperanto activity is also called ''green star business'' ('''lo crino tartai cuntu''''').''


{{jvs|spero}} is the Lojbanic [[gismu|root-word]] for ''Esperanto'' and ''Esperanto culture''. Other words are '''bangrnesperanto''' and '''sperybau''' for the Esperanto language itself. Created by [[Zamenhof]]
{{jvs|spero}}  = x1 belong to Esperanto culture or language in aspect x2
 
'''bangrnesperanto''' and '''sperybau''' = x1 is Esperanto language
 
{{jvs|spero}} is the Lojbanic [[gismu|root word]] for ''Esperanto'' and ''Esperanto culture''.


=Lojbanists and Esperanto=
=Lojbanists and Esperanto=
A great number of Lojbanists studied [[Esperanto|Esperanto]] before coming to [[Lojbanistan|Lojbanistan]]. Formerly (in the [['Tweeners]] era) a substantial number of Lojbanists were familiar with Esperanto. This no longer appears to be the case. Still here are some of them who can speak Esperanto: [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]], [[la gleki]], [[la ilmen]], [[nitcion]], [[xorxes]], [[User:Michael Helsem|maiky'elsym]], [[User:Cein|cein]], stivyn.
A great number of Lojbanists studied Esperanto before coming to [[Lojbanistan|Lojbanistan]]. Formerly (in the [['Tweeners]] era) a substantial number of Lojbanists were familiar with Esperanto. This no longer appears to be the case. Still here are some of them who can speak Esperanto: [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]], [[la gleki]], [[la ilmen]], [[nitcion|la nitcion]], [[xorxes|la xorxes]], [[User:Michael Helsem|la maiky'elsym]], [[User:Cein|la cein]], la .stivyn.


Is Esperanto a rival to Lojban? There is little overt rivalry (except on the vexing [["Sixteen Rules" issue|'Sixteen Rules' issue]]...). The situation can be considered as a case of complementarity: [[auxlang|International Auxilliary Language]] claims are renounced in order to focus on issues which simply don't exist in Esperanto.
==Is Esperanto a rival to Lojban?==
There is little overt rivalry (except on the vexing [["Sixteen Rules" issue|'Sixteen Rules' issue]]...). The situation can be considered as a case of complementarity: [[auxlang|international auxilliary language]] claims are renounced in Lojban. Lojbanists are focused on issues which simply don't exist in Esperanto.


{{quotation| This seems to be primarily an artifact of the peculiar situation of Esperanto in America: the idealism of Esperanto, and the feel for a need for an [[auxlang|IAL]], do not have as much resonance in America as elsewhere, so there are proportionally many more people who would consider learning either Esperanto or Lojban <u>only as a [[conlang]]</u>. (Few outside the Anglo-Saxon world, I suspect would learn Esperanto only as a conlang). For that reason, the two languages are being compared by some (e.g. prospective students asking for comparisons on the mailing list) rather more directly than others (e.g. Esperantists or ex-Esperantists like me) may have expected, in terms of non-IAL specific issues like unambiguity or euphony.|[[User:Nick Nicholas|la .nitcion.]]}}
{{quotation| This seems to be primarily an artifact of the peculiar situation of Esperanto in America: the idealism of Esperanto, and the feel for a need for an [[auxlang|IAL]], do not have as much resonance in America as elsewhere, so there are proportionally many more people who would consider learning either Esperanto or Lojban <u>only as a [[conlang]]</u>. (Few outside the Anglo-Saxon world, I suspect would learn Esperanto only as a conlang). For that reason, the two languages are being compared by some (e.g. prospective students asking for comparisons on the mailing list) rather more directly than others (e.g. Esperantists or ex-Esperantists like me) may have expected, in terms of non-IAL specific issues like unambiguity or euphony.|[[User:Nick Nicholas|la .nitcion.]]}}
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=References=
=References=
* [[spero|spero]]
* [[spero|spero]]
* "[[In A Bitter Hour]]" by [http://www.geocities.com/esperantolit/kalocsay/bio_nurteksta_angla.html Kalman Kalocsay] in English and Lojban.
* "[[In A Bitter Hour]]" by [http://www.geocities.com/esperantolit/kalocsay/bio_nurteksta_angla.html Kalman Kalocsay] in English and Lojban. A poem translated from Esperanto by [[User:Nick Nicholas|la .nitcion.]] waaaay back (obsolete Lojban alert) is a sober self-critique and reformulation of Esperantists' attitude to their own language.
*This poem, translated from Esperanto (original: http://ftp.std.com/obi/Esperanto/texts/en-amara-horo.txt) by [[User:Nick Nicholas|la .nitcion.]] waaaay back (obsolete Lojban alert) is a sober self-critique and reformulation of Esperantists' attitude to their own language.


*[http://www.esperanto.net esperanto.net]
*[http://www.esperanto.net esperanto.net]

Revision as of 11:14, 1 September 2014

Esperanto, a constructed and the most widely spoken auxiliary language, designed by Zamenhof in the late 19th century as an international auxiliary language.

Esperanto activity is also called green star business (lo crino tartai cuntu).

spero = x1 belong to Esperanto culture or language in aspect x2

bangrnesperanto and sperybau = x1 is Esperanto language

spero is the Lojbanic root word for Esperanto and Esperanto culture.

Lojbanists and Esperanto

A great number of Lojbanists studied Esperanto before coming to Lojbanistan. Formerly (in the 'Tweeners era) a substantial number of Lojbanists were familiar with Esperanto. This no longer appears to be the case. Still here are some of them who can speak Esperanto: la selpa'i, la gleki, la ilmen, la nitcion, la xorxes, la maiky'elsym, la cein, la .stivyn.

Is Esperanto a rival to Lojban?

There is little overt rivalry (except on the vexing 'Sixteen Rules' issue...). The situation can be considered as a case of complementarity: international auxilliary language claims are renounced in Lojban. Lojbanists are focused on issues which simply don't exist in Esperanto.

This seems to be primarily an artifact of the peculiar situation of Esperanto in America: the idealism of Esperanto, and the feel for a need for an IAL, do not have as much resonance in America as elsewhere, so there are proportionally many more people who would consider learning either Esperanto or Lojban only as a conlang. (Few outside the Anglo-Saxon world, I suspect would learn Esperanto only as a conlang). For that reason, the two languages are being compared by some (e.g. prospective students asking for comparisons on the mailing list) rather more directly than others (e.g. Esperantists or ex-Esperantists like me) may have expected, in terms of non-IAL specific issues like unambiguity or euphony.

la .nitcion.

References

  • spero
  • "In A Bitter Hour" by Kalman Kalocsay in English and Lojban. A poem translated from Esperanto by la .nitcion. waaaay back (obsolete Lojban alert) is a sober self-critique and reformulation of Esperantists' attitude to their own language.

Esperanto and Lojban.png