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As an aid to sort out our differences regarding [[BPFK Section: Irrealis Attitudinals]], and possibly to guide further work on the Attitudinals checkpoint, the relevant issues are recorded here.
As an aid to sort out our differences regarding [[BPFK Section: Irrealis attitudinals]], and possibly to guide further work on the Attitudinals checkpoint, the relevant issues are recorded here.


Feel free to edit, but to keep the page manageable, we prefer that you only edit the paragraphs related to ''your own'' opinions. Thank you.
Feel free to edit, but to keep the page manageable, we prefer that you only edit the paragraphs related to ''your own'' opinions. Thank you.


== Veto issues ==
== Veto issues ==
=== Backwards-compatibility ===
=== Backwards-compatibility ===
 
The connection between '''ai nai''' and the keyword "refusal" is too entrenched in usage to depart from.
The connection between {ai nai} and the keyword "refusal" is too entrenched in usage to depart from.
*Arnt Richard
 
* Arnt Richard
 
=== No redundancy between scalar negation of attitudinal and bridi negation ===
=== No redundancy between scalar negation of attitudinal and bridi negation ===
 
'''ai nai''' cannot impart the same meaning on a sentence as that of '''ai''' on the negation of that sentence, i.e. '''ai nai broda''' != '''ai na broda'''
{ai nai} cannot impart the same meaning on a sentence as that of {ai} on the negation of that sentence, ie. {ai nai broda} != {ai na broda}
 
*Robin
*Robin
*Ted
*Ted


== Non-veto issues ==
== Non-veto issues ==
=== Abolition of irrealis ===
=== Abolition of irrealis ===
There should be no irrealis attitudinals.
There should be no irrealis attitudinals.
*Ted
*Ted


=== [[jbocre: Gismu deep structure|Gismu deep structure]] in attitudinals ===
=== [[ralju brivla deep structure|Gismu deep structure]] in attitudinals ===
 
Nothing should be expressible as attitudinals that are not also expressible as bridis.
Nothing should be expressible as attitudinals that are not also expressible as bridis.
*Ted
*Ted


=== Systematicity ===
=== Systematicity ===
The opposites of the attitudinals are part of a system, from which the current definition of {ai nai}, {e'o nai} and {e'o cu'i} deviates.
The opposites of the attitudinals are part of a system, from which the current definition of {ai nai}, {e'o nai} and {e'o cu'i} deviates.
*Jorge
*Jorge


=== Completeness ===
=== Completeness ===
It is inconvenient that there is no attitudinal for "accidental".
It is inconvenient that there is no attitudinal for "accidental".
*Jorge
*Jorge

Latest revision as of 15:09, 23 December 2014

As an aid to sort out our differences regarding BPFK Section: Irrealis Attitudinals, and possibly to guide further work on the Attitudinals checkpoint, the relevant issues are recorded here.

Feel free to edit, but to keep the page manageable, we prefer that you only edit the paragraphs related to your own opinions. Thank you.

Veto issues

Backwards-compatibility

The connection between ai nai and the keyword "refusal" is too entrenched in usage to depart from.

  • Arnt Richard

No redundancy between scalar negation of attitudinal and bridi negation

ai nai cannot impart the same meaning on a sentence as that of ai on the negation of that sentence, i.e. ai nai broda != ai na broda

  • Robin
  • Ted

Non-veto issues

Abolition of irrealis

There should be no irrealis attitudinals.

  • Ted

Gismu deep structure in attitudinals

Nothing should be expressible as attitudinals that are not also expressible as bridis.

  • Ted

Systematicity

The opposites of the attitudinals are part of a system, from which the current definition of {ai nai}, {e'o nai} and {e'o cu'i} deviates.

  • Jorge

Completeness

It is inconvenient that there is no attitudinal for "accidental".

  • Jorge