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This is basically a free-form list of things the BPFK will eventually have to deal with, sooner or later. Feel free to add to it.
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Dei zo'u ra'u ge no'e se ganzu gi liste lo poi'i kanpe lo du'u li'ai BPFK ca su'o balvi cu ei se cuntu ke'a. I e'e do jmina fi ku.
==Meta-issues==
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==Ni'o lo cmeta==
*[[la gleki]]:
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*I mi'e [[la Gleki]]:
**This page is a mess.
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**I dei noi papri cu kalsa.
**Include discussions from other BPFK pages.
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**I ei gau ku lo nu casnu do'e lo drata me BPFK papri co'a pagbu.
  
*[[BPFK_Procedures#Voting|Design and implement a better voting system]]
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*[[BPFK_Procedures#Voting|I ei platu gi'e cazgau su'o cnino poi cmicu'a ciste.]]
* Work through [[Issues with checkpointed BPFK sections]] and resolve everything.
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* I ro la'o gy [[Issues with checkpointed BPFK sections]] gy zo'u: ei lanli gi'e dafyfa'i.
* [[User:Robin Lee Powell|la camgusmis]]:
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* I mi'e [[User:Robin Lee Powell|la .Camgusmis.]]:
** At some point, the BPFK will need to approve the changes in [[CLL, aka Reference Grammar, Errata|CLL, aka Reference Grammar, Errata]], as the CLL is part of the baseline.
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** I ei ca su'o balvi BPFK zanru lo nu stika pe [[CLL, aka Reference Grammar, Errata|lo cfiste be la Xuncku]]. I ki'u bo la Xuncku jai cuntu lo gafyfantymanri.
* [[User:Robin Lee Powell|la camgusmis]]:
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* I mi'e [[User:Robin Lee Powell|la .Camgusmis.]]:
**The English word for xagri is 'reed', which is amazingly dumb. It needs to be changed to 'reed instrument' or 'woodwind' or something.
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**I glico gloso zo "xagri" fa zo'oi "reed" xoi spaji nu bebna. I ei basti fa zoi gy "reed instrument" gy ja zo'oi "woodwind" ja lo simsa.
*[[User:xorxes|xorxes]]:
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*I mi'e la [[User:xorxes|.Xorxes.]]:
**Consider the grammar proposals listed in [[zasni gerna cenba vreji|zasni gerna cenba vreji]]
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** Ei pensi gi'e kai'u ce'u jdice da pe ce'u vau vau lo se stidi poi se skicu do'e la [[zasni gerna cenba vreji]].
  
==Grammar points to be decided upon==
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==Ni'o lo gerna srana poi ei jai se jdice==
* {ti citka be mi}
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* {lo nu brode ba brodo}
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* lu {ti citka be mi} li'u
* {fi do vecnu ti}
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* lu {lo nu brode ba brodo} li'u
* {jai frili fai ma}
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* lu {fi do vecnu ti} li'u
* {mi broda fa do}
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* lu {jai frili fai ma} li'u
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* lu {mi broda fa do} li'u
  
==Dictionary issues==
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==Ni'o lo srana be lo vlaste==
* Go through the gismu list and improve wordings as well as increase consistency between gismu where possible. Go through gismu errata list.
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* I ei lo gimste zo'u xagzengau tu'a lo valsi se cuxna pe lo velcki gi'e va'o zengau lo sranysi'u lo ka manfo. I ei zukte tu'a lo gismu cfiste.
* Lojban definitions of every cmavo
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** (to sa'a lo gismu cfiste ma zvati mi'e [[User:Cirko|la cirko]])
* Consider experimental gismu to be made official (e.g. kanpe, kibro, etc)
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* I ei ro lo cmavo cu se vlavelcki su'o uenzi be lo lojbo
* Consider proposed cmavo and see if they warrant an official form
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* I ei ro lo cipra gismu zo'u jdice lo du'u xu kau co'a catni se zanru
==Type system issues==
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* I ei ro lo cnino cmavo se stidi zo'u jdice lo du'u xu kau inda tu'a su'o ca'irselzau tarmi
* Type discussion. mono- vs poly-morphism
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==Ni'o lo srana be lo sumti klesi==
* Define underdefined gismu places, e.g. skari2
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* I ei casnu lo si'o sumti klesi. I mu'a lo si'o mo'e ce'u da ka'e sumti ce'u noi zilkai.
==Place structure issues==
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* I ei ciksi tu'a lo te sumti lu'u poi mo'a va'e lo ka se ciksi je pe mu'u lo re moi pe zo "skari".
* Formalization of {kau} in complete propositions (du'u, nu, main bridi…) and properties and amounts abstractions (ka, ni)
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==Ni'o lo srana be lo te sumti stura==
* "at location" places in many gismu seem totally irrelevant to the relation. e.g. ckule, cange, malsi ... Should they be removed?
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* I lo du'u lo bridi je lo zilkai vu'o poi lu'e ke'a se pagbu zo "kau" cu turbaro ma kau
* Decide how to fill "by standard" places
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* I so'i gismu zo'u lo sumti poi se zvati su'o lo drata sumti zo'u simlu co mulno co srana be na bei lo smuni. I ei pei gau co'u sumti?
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* I ei jdice lo du'u ma kau smuni zoi gy "by standard" gy fa pe lo gismu vlavelcki
 
==Predicate interactions issues==
 
==Predicate interactions issues==
 
Includes sumtcita (since they are compressed predicates)
 
Includes sumtcita (since they are compressed predicates)
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** [[la gleki]]:
 
** [[la gleki]]:
 
*** it's {{jvs|vi'i}}
 
*** it's {{jvs|vi'i}}
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* define {lo >1 da} with unbound da
 
* discuss the jvojva
 
* discuss the jvojva
 
* Have a discussion about the status of dialects.
 
* Have a discussion about the status of dialects.

Revision as of 20:17, 15 September 2015

Dei zo'u ra'u ge no'e se ganzu gi liste lo poi'i kanpe lo du'u li'ai BPFK ca su'o balvi cu ei se cuntu ke'a. I e'e do jmina fi ku.

Ni'o lo cmeta

  • I mi'e la Gleki:
    • I dei noi papri cu kalsa.
    • I ei gau ku lo nu casnu do'e lo drata me BPFK papri co'a pagbu.

Ni'o lo gerna srana poi ei jai se jdice

I

  • lu {ti citka be mi} li'u
  • lu {lo nu brode ba brodo} li'u
  • lu {fi do vecnu ti} li'u
  • lu {jai frili fai ma} li'u
  • lu {mi broda fa do} li'u

Ni'o lo srana be lo vlaste

  • I ei lo gimste zo'u xagzengau tu'a lo valsi se cuxna pe lo velcki gi'e va'o zengau lo sranysi'u lo ka manfo. I ei zukte tu'a lo gismu cfiste.
    • (to sa'a lo gismu cfiste ma zvati mi'e la cirko)
  • I ei ro lo cmavo cu se vlavelcki su'o uenzi be lo lojbo
  • I ei ro lo cipra gismu zo'u jdice lo du'u xu kau co'a catni se zanru
  • I ei ro lo cnino cmavo se stidi zo'u jdice lo du'u xu kau inda tu'a su'o ca'irselzau tarmi

Ni'o lo srana be lo sumti klesi

  • I ei casnu lo si'o sumti klesi. I mu'a lo si'o mo'e ce'u da ka'e sumti ce'u noi zilkai.
  • I ei ciksi tu'a lo te sumti lu'u poi mo'a va'e lo ka se ciksi je pe mu'u lo re moi pe zo "skari".

Ni'o lo srana be lo te sumti stura

  • I lo du'u lo bridi je lo zilkai vu'o poi lu'e ke'a se pagbu zo "kau" cu turbaro ma kau
  • I so'i gismu zo'u lo sumti poi se zvati su'o lo drata sumti zo'u simlu co mulno co srana be na bei lo smuni. I ei pei gau co'u sumti?
  • I ei jdice lo du'u ma kau smuni zoi gy "by standard" gy fa pe lo gismu vlavelcki

Predicate interactions issues

Includes sumtcita (since they are compressed predicates)

  • Formalize fi'o and BAI. Currently they are all broken and terrible. Some BAI might need to be killed or heavily redefined to make sense / be useful. for fi'o there are two options... there are infinitely many predicates, so it's simply not possible to define interaction of fi'o with every predicate seperately. therefore i propose to use a single formula that works for all fi'o clauses. BAI can be considered special in that they are more precisely defined and don't need this general solution. (bau = fi'o se baupli). this means that the fi'o transformation of tags is but an approximation, not a full equivalence. co'e only word that is general enough

Mekso issues

  • Improve the BPFK definition for {ji'i} (see this related discussion)
  • Deciding upon the meaning of {ni}, and how to express amounts (zenba2, barda2, cnano2…)

Unsorted issues

  • Formalize the tense system (?)
  • CAhA as sumtcita
  • scope weirdness in ZAhO definitions ("broda ba'o lo nu brode ~= ba'o broda ca lo nu brode"??)
  • subjunctivity formalization
  • position ne inner rel is outer with LE, but inner (part of name) with LA. is this desirable? (what if LE-LA merge goes through, still desirable?)
  • scope of NA
  • na'e ko'a
  • make the PEG the official grammar.
  • add uy and iy as BY
  • add a new FAhA that means "along a path". I suggest {pu'a} from {pluta} (ditch the {pluka} BAI). {mi cadzu pu'a lo rirxe}. {pu'a} has almost no usage (8 times and only on IRC)
  • define {lo >1 da} with unbound da
  • discuss the jvojva
  • Have a discussion about the status of dialects.
  • Discuss logical connection of sentences with different illocutionay force
xorxes This reminds me that, if I recall correctly, we had different views when working on Xorban on whether it makes sense for two sentences with different illocutionary force to be logically connected. For me logical connection only applies to bare propositions, and not to propositions-in-use.
And My palpably deteriorating memory isn't pinging, so even if you recall correctly, I still don't. I do think that illocutionary operators can themselves be arguments of predicates (e.g. "Is it dinner time yet, for I'm hungry") tho, and since I take logical connectives to be predicates it follows that in principle I must allow illocutionary operators to be logically connected. I'm not sure how this bears on the current discussion, tho.
xorxes Yes, that was a good example. My view was that the underlying logic for that is:
  1. I (hereby) ask whether it is dinner time yet.
  2. The reason for my asking whether it is dinner time yet is that I am hungry.

1 and 2 are different propositions, but 2 happens to contain 1. Since both illocutionary acts make use of the same proposition, it is convenient to utter the sentence expressing that proposition only once, but that doesn't make the first illocutionary act (as opposed to just its propositional content) an argument of the predicate used in the second act.


Review change proposals