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=== cmavo me (ME) === | |||
==== Proposed Definition ==== | |||
Converts a sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure ''"x1 is/are among the referents of the sumti"''. | |||
==== Proposed Tag ==== | |||
==== See Also ==== | |||
* {me'u} | |||
* {moi} | |||
==== Proposed Keywords ==== | |||
==== Usage Examples ==== | |||
;xu do djica lo nu do me mi'a:"Do you want to be one of us?" | |||
==== Notes ==== | |||
==== Issues ==== | |||
{BOX} | |||
=== cmavo me'u (MEhU) === | |||
==== Proposed Definition ==== | |||
Terminator for ME. | |||
==== Proposed Tag ==== | |||
==== See Also ==== | |||
* {me} | |||
==== Proposed Keywords ==== | |||
==== Usage Examples ==== | |||
==== Notes ==== | |||
==== Issues ==== | |||
{BOX} | |||
=== cmavo moi (MOI) === | |||
==== Proposed Definition ==== | |||
Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is ''"x1 is/are the ''[[jbocre: number|number]]''th among x2 by rule x3"''. More generally, for any sumti the place structure is ''"x1 is/are the one(s) among x2 that correspond(s) to ''[[jbocre: number/lerfu/sumti]]'' by rule x3"''. | |||
==== Proposed Tag ==== | |||
==== See also ==== | |||
* {me} | |||
* {mei} | |||
* {si'e} | |||
* {cu'o} | |||
* {va'e} | |||
==== Proposed Keywords ==== | |||
==== Usage Examples ==== | |||
;ma xamoi le te minde i xamoi le te minde fa lo nu na catra:"Which is the sixth commandment? The sixth commandment is, Thou shalt not kill." | |||
;ju'i do'u do tolcliva le ba'e romoi be le papri be la internet i a'o do pu zanfri lo nu catlu i caku ko tolcikygau le do skami gi'e barkla gi'e kelci:"Attention: You have reached the very last page of the Internet. We hope you have enjoyed your browsing. Now turn off your computer and go outside and play." | |||
;la cerni tarci cu romoi lo tarci poi ka'e se viska pu lo nu co'a donri:"The morning star is the last star that's visible before the dawning of the day." | |||
;le mi dinju cu da'apamoi le zunle:"My building is the one before last on the left hand side." | |||
;le ro relselxi'u cu mitsi'umlu i ta'i ma da djuno lo du'u makau me da moi:"All the bicycles looked alike. How could you tell which one was yours!" | |||
;ta me mi moi:"That's mine." | |||
==== Notes ==== | |||
==== Issues ==== | |||
klaku: The moi3 is not very well defined. Is it a process by which to order? In that case, describing the process will lead to a very long sumti, which is not practical. I suggest that it is a {ka}, so that lo moi is ordered such that those with most of the property are before those with less of the property. Thus, "second in shortness" is {remoi fi loka tordu}, rather than something involving a description of an elobate process. | |||
{BOX} | |||
=== cmavo mei (MOI) === | |||
==== Proposed Definition ==== | |||
Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is ''"x1 are ''[[jbocre: number|number]]'' in number among x2"''. In general for any sumti the place structure is ''"x1 is/are among x2, quantified by ''[[jbocre: number/lerfu/sumti]]''"''. | |||
==== Proposed Tag ==== | |||
==== See Also ==== | |||
* {me} | |||
* {moi} | |||
* {si'e} | |||
* {cu'o} | |||
* {va'e} | |||
==== Proposed Keywords ==== | |||
==== Usage Examples ==== | |||
;ko drisla lo nuntolji'a ki'u lo nu ri so'i mei .i ku'i ko geisla lo nunji'a ki'u lo nu ri so'u mei:"Mourn the losses because they are many but celebrate the victories because they are few." | |||
==== Notes ==== | |||
==== Issues ==== | |||
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/3006bf2178e9175e ssues] | |||
klaku: The definitions for this cmavo are many and contradicting. CLL states 3 or four te sumti, this page's definition 2, and valsi/vlasisku states 3 te sumti. Also, it is not clear what mei3 is supposed to be. I suggest the other definitions be changed to match this one, with only 2 te sumti. | |||
{BOX} | |||
=== cmavo si'e (MOI) === | |||
==== Proposed Definition ==== | |||
Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is ''"x1 is/are a ''[[jbocre: number|number]]''th of x2"''. In general for any sumti the place structure is ''"x1 is a part/fraction of x2, quantified by ''[[jbocre: number/lerfu/sumti]]''"''. | |||
==== Proposed Tag ==== | |||
==== See Also ==== | |||
* {me} | |||
* {mei} | |||
* {moi} | |||
* {cu'o} | |||
* {va'e} | |||
==== Proposed Keywords ==== | |||
==== Usage Examples ==== | |||
;lo so'i tadni cu zabna se ctuca lo gubni ckule .i ku'i lo go'i cu mo'a si'e lo ro mei:"Many students get a first-rate education in the public schools, but they represent too small a fraction of the whole." | |||
==== Notes ==== | |||
==== Issues ==== | |||
{BOX} | |||
=== cmavo cu'o (MOI) === | |||
==== Proposed Definition ==== | |||
Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure is ''"x1 has an expectation/probability ''[[jbocre: number/lerfu/sumti]]'' under conditions x2"''. | |||
==== Proposed Tag ==== | |||
==== See Also ==== | |||
* {me} | |||
* {mei} | |||
* {moi} | |||
* {si'e} | |||
* {va'e} | |||
==== Proposed Keywords ==== | |||
==== Usage Examples ==== | |||
;la'e di'u cu mu no ce'i cu'o :"That has a fifty percent chance of happening." | |||
==== Notes ==== | |||
==== Issues ==== | |||
{BOX} | |||
=== cmavo va'e (MOI) === | |||
==== Proposed Definition ==== | |||
Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure ''"x1 has value ''[[jbocre: number/lerfu/sumti]]'' on scale x2"''. | |||
==== Proposed Tag ==== | |||
==== See Also ==== | |||
* {me} | |||
* {moi} | |||
* {mei} | |||
* {si'e} | |||
* {cu'o} | |||
==== Proposed Keywords ==== | |||
==== Usage Examples ==== | |||
;ui lo mi prosa cu .abu va'e:"Yay! My essay was graded with an 'A'." | |||
==== Notes ==== | |||
==== Issues ==== | |||
The CLL has: | |||
* lei ratcu poi zvati le panka cu so'umei lo'i ratcu | |||
* The-mass-of rats which are-in the park are a-fewsome with-respect-to the-set-of rats. | |||
* The rats in the park are a small number of all the rats there are. | |||
Which I don't think fits with mei as we use it at all; either the definition here or the CLL needs changing. | |||
=== Formal definitions === | |||
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MOI | |||
''x1'' ''number'' moi ''x2'' ''x3'' | ''x1'' me ''x2'' gi'e lidne da'a ''number'' me ''x2'' ''x3'' | |||
''x1'' ''number'' mei ''x2'' | ''x1'' me ''x2'' gi'e klani li ''number'' lo se gradu be ''x2'' | |||
''x1'' ''number'' si'e ''x2'' | ''x1'' pagbu ''x2'' gi'e klani li ''number'' lo se gradu be ''x2'' | |||
''x1'' ''number'' cu'o ''x2'' | ''x1'' se pacna zi'o li ''number'' va'o ''x2'' | |||
''x1'' ''number'' va'e ''x2'' | ''x1'' se merli zi'o li ''number'' ''x2'' | |||
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=== General Section Notes === | |||
# The definition of '''me''' corresponds to the basic relation '''''Among''''' as formalized in [http://philosophy.syr.edu/mckay.html], which also agrees with the definition as given in CLL. | |||
# The interpretation proposed for a ME-converted sumti with '''moi''' is an extension of the definition for n-moi as n-th. | |||
# The second argument of '''mei''' is changed with respect to CLL, to make it more useful and more in line with the rest of the system. |
Revision as of 16:45, 4 November 2013
cmavo me (ME)
Proposed Definition
Converts a sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure "x1 is/are among the referents of the sumti".
Proposed Tag
See Also
- {me'u}
- {moi}
Proposed Keywords
Usage Examples
- xu do djica lo nu do me mi'a
- "Do you want to be one of us?"
Notes
Issues
{BOX}
cmavo me'u (MEhU)
Proposed Definition
Terminator for ME.
Proposed Tag
See Also
- {me}
Proposed Keywords
Usage Examples
Notes
Issues
{BOX}
cmavo moi (MOI)
Proposed Definition
Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is "x1 is/are the numberth among x2 by rule x3". More generally, for any sumti the place structure is "x1 is/are the one(s) among x2 that correspond(s) to jbocre: number/lerfu/sumti by rule x3".
Proposed Tag
See also
- {me}
- {mei}
- {si'e}
- {cu'o}
- {va'e}
Proposed Keywords
Usage Examples
- ma xamoi le te minde i xamoi le te minde fa lo nu na catra
- "Which is the sixth commandment? The sixth commandment is, Thou shalt not kill."
- ju'i do'u do tolcliva le ba'e romoi be le papri be la internet i a'o do pu zanfri lo nu catlu i caku ko tolcikygau le do skami gi'e barkla gi'e kelci
- "Attention: You have reached the very last page of the Internet. We hope you have enjoyed your browsing. Now turn off your computer and go outside and play."
- la cerni tarci cu romoi lo tarci poi ka'e se viska pu lo nu co'a donri
- "The morning star is the last star that's visible before the dawning of the day."
- le mi dinju cu da'apamoi le zunle
- "My building is the one before last on the left hand side."
- le ro relselxi'u cu mitsi'umlu i ta'i ma da djuno lo du'u makau me da moi
- "All the bicycles looked alike. How could you tell which one was yours!"
- ta me mi moi
- "That's mine."
Notes
Issues
klaku: The moi3 is not very well defined. Is it a process by which to order? In that case, describing the process will lead to a very long sumti, which is not practical. I suggest that it is a {ka}, so that lo moi is ordered such that those with most of the property are before those with less of the property. Thus, "second in shortness" is {remoi fi loka tordu}, rather than something involving a description of an elobate process.
{BOX}
cmavo mei (MOI)
Proposed Definition
Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is "x1 are number in number among x2". In general for any sumti the place structure is "x1 is/are among x2, quantified by jbocre: number/lerfu/sumti".
Proposed Tag
See Also
- {me}
- {moi}
- {si'e}
- {cu'o}
- {va'e}
Proposed Keywords
Usage Examples
- ko drisla lo nuntolji'a ki'u lo nu ri so'i mei .i ku'i ko geisla lo nunji'a ki'u lo nu ri so'u mei
- "Mourn the losses because they are many but celebrate the victories because they are few."
Notes
Issues
klaku: The definitions for this cmavo are many and contradicting. CLL states 3 or four te sumti, this page's definition 2, and valsi/vlasisku states 3 te sumti. Also, it is not clear what mei3 is supposed to be. I suggest the other definitions be changed to match this one, with only 2 te sumti.
{BOX}
cmavo si'e (MOI)
Proposed Definition
Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit. The place structure in the case of a number is "x1 is/are a numberth of x2". In general for any sumti the place structure is "x1 is a part/fraction of x2, quantified by jbocre: number/lerfu/sumti".
Proposed Tag
See Also
- {me}
- {mei}
- {moi}
- {cu'o}
- {va'e}
Proposed Keywords
Usage Examples
- lo so'i tadni cu zabna se ctuca lo gubni ckule .i ku'i lo go'i cu mo'a si'e lo ro mei
- "Many students get a first-rate education in the public schools, but they represent too small a fraction of the whole."
Notes
Issues
{BOX}
cmavo cu'o (MOI)
Proposed Definition
Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure is "x1 has an expectation/probability jbocre: number/lerfu/sumti under conditions x2".
Proposed Tag
See Also
- {me}
- {mei}
- {moi}
- {si'e}
- {va'e}
Proposed Keywords
Usage Examples
- la'e di'u cu mu no ce'i cu'o
- "That has a fifty percent chance of happening."
Notes
Issues
{BOX}
cmavo va'e (MOI)
Proposed Definition
Converts a number, lerfu-string or ME-converted sumti into a tanru-unit with place structure "x1 has value jbocre: number/lerfu/sumti on scale x2".
Proposed Tag
See Also
- {me}
- {moi}
- {mei}
- {si'e}
- {cu'o}
Proposed Keywords
Usage Examples
- ui lo mi prosa cu .abu va'e
- "Yay! My essay was graded with an 'A'."
Notes
Issues
The CLL has:
- lei ratcu poi zvati le panka cu so'umei lo'i ratcu
- The-mass-of rats which are-in the park are a-fewsome with-respect-to the-set-of rats.
- The rats in the park are a small number of all the rats there are.
Which I don't think fits with mei as we use it at all; either the definition here or the CLL needs changing.
Formal definitions
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MOI
x1 number moi x2 x3 | x1 me x2 gi'e lidne da'a number me x2 x3
x1 number mei x2 | x1 me x2 gi'e klani li number lo se gradu be x2
x1 number si'e x2 | x1 pagbu x2 gi'e klani li number lo se gradu be x2
x1 number cu'o x2 | x1 se pacna zi'o li number va'o x2
x1 number va'e x2 | x1 se merli zi'o li number x2
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General Section Notes
- The definition of me corresponds to the basic relation Among as formalized in [1], which also agrees with the definition as given in CLL.
- The interpretation proposed for a ME-converted sumti with moi is an extension of the definition for n-moi as n-th.
- The second argument of mei is changed with respect to CLL, to make it more useful and more in line with the rest of the system.