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You can use ''se'' with abstractors. Most common is ''sedu'u'', but others are possible. The abstractors that have x2 places are ''ni'', ''jei'', ''li'i'', ''si'o'', ''du'u'', ''pu'o'', ''zu'o''. The abstractors that have only x1 are ''nu'', ''ka'', ''za'i'', ''mu'e''.
===  cmavo: fa'a (FAhA4) ===


''mi cusku le sedu'u mi ze'e noroi srere si srera''
==== Proposed Definition ====


You can use connectives with abstractors. From [[the Book|the Book]], chapter 11, section 13:
Orientation. It indicates that the event is oriented in a certain direction. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the direction.


''le ka je ni la frank. ciska cu xlali''
====  Proposed Tag ====


But you cannot freely use them together! ''se jei broda'' parses as ''se (jei broda)'', and ''se jei je ni broda'' parses as ''se (jei je ni broda)''. The ''se'' applies to both abstractors. ''se'' is ungrammatical inside the connected abstractors.
fi'o farna (<- Is this correct? I pulled it from the now deleted "Formal Definitions" section.)


''jei je seni broda'' - '''bzzt!''' ungrammatical
====  See Also ====


(On the other hand, it's perfectly legal to do excessive negation: ''jeinai najenai ninai na broda''. Ow, I think I just burned out some brain cells!)
* {to'o}
* {farna}


''mi'e [[jbocre: jezrax|jezrax]]''
====  Proposed Keywords ====


----
* toward
* towards


''Keep in mind that '''ka''' has an unofficial x2: The thing that bears the quality in question. Hence:''
* facing
* in the direction of


le ka ce'u sutra
* pointing to


''Speed''
====  Usage Examples ====


le ka ce'u sutra kei be le mi gerku
;lo nixli cu cisma fa'a lo ri pendo:"The girl smiled towards her friend."


''My dog's speed''
====  Notes ====
 
====  Issues ====
 
{BOX}
 
 
===  cmavo: to'o (FAhA4) ===
 
==== Proposed Definition ====
 
Orientation. It indicates that the event is oriented away from a certain direction. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the direction the event faces away from.
 
==== Proposed Tag ====
 
fi'o fardukti
 
====  See Also ====
 
* {fa'a}
* {fardukti})
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
* away from
* in the opposite direction of
 
====  Usage Examples ====
 
;ki'u ma lo do gerku cu bajra to'o do:"Why does your dog run away from you?"
 
====  Notes ====
 
====  Issues ====
 
{BOX}
 
 
===  cmavo: ze'o (FAhA4) ===
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
Location. It indicates that the event is located beyond a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is on the other side of.
 
==== Proposed Tag ====
 
fi'o se ragve
 
====  See Also ====
 
* {zo'a}
* {zo'i}
 
* {ragve})
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
* beyond
* further than
 
* on the other side of
* across
 
==== Usage Examples ====
 
;lo srasu pe ze'o lo bitmu cu ro roi ri'ozma:"The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence."
 
====  Notes ====
 
====  Issues ====
 
{BOX}
 
 
===  cmavo: zo'a (FAhA4) ===
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
Location. It indicates that the event is located by a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is alongside of.
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
fi'o se noryragve
 
====  See Also ====
 
* {ze'o}
* {zo'i}
 
* {noryragve})
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
* by
* alongside
 
====  Usage Examples ====
 
;mi pu cliva lo karce zo'a lo malsi:"I left the car by the side of the temple."
 
==== Notes ====
 
==== Issues ====
 
{BOX}
 
 
===  cmavo: zo'i (FAhA4) ===
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
Location. It indicates that the event is located on this side of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is on this side of.
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
fi'o se tolragve
 
====  See Also ====
 
* {ze'o}
* {zo'a}
 
* {tolragve})
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
* on this side of
* nearer than
 
====  Usage Examples ====
 
;.e'o ko denpa zo'i lo klaji:"Please wait on this side of the street."
 
====  Notes ====
 
====  Issues ====
 
{BOX}
 
 
===  cmavo: fe'e (FEhE) ===
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
Spatial conversion. It converts a time tag into its space equivalent.
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
====  See Also ====
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
* space
* spatial
 
====  Usage Examples ====
 
;mi'a fe'e ru'i nai sisti lo nu litru kei gi'e zanfri lo jvinu:"We stopped our travel at intermittent places and enjoyed the scenery."
 
==== Notes ====
 
====  Issues ====
 
{BOX}
 
 
===  cmavo: mo'i (MOhI) ===
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
Motion. It converts a location tag into a tag that indicates motion into or towards that location.
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
====  See Also ====
 
====  Proposed Keywords ====
 
* motion
* movement
 
==== Usage Examples ====
 
;mi mo'i ca'u citka lo mi sanmi:"While moving forward, I eat my meal."
 
====  Notes ====
 
====  Issues ====
 
{BOX}
 
===  General Section Issues ===
 
[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/1b8740eaa11bcd01]
 
Disagreement/clarification/discussion on FAhA. (also in 'distance' FAhA)
 
[[jbocre: fa'a as orientation|fa'a as orientation]] - more discussion.
 
Also [https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/Xg0PIaldLS0] , and particularily [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/Xg0PIaldLS0/6AIWHRzBH-4J] (that last being rlpowell's summary)

Revision as of 16:44, 4 November 2013


cmavo: fa'a (FAhA4)

Proposed Definition

Orientation. It indicates that the event is oriented in a certain direction. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the direction.

Proposed Tag

fi'o farna (<- Is this correct? I pulled it from the now deleted "Formal Definitions" section.)

See Also

  • {to'o}
  • {farna}

Proposed Keywords

  • toward
  • towards
  • facing
  • in the direction of
  • pointing to

Usage Examples

lo nixli cu cisma fa'a lo ri pendo
"The girl smiled towards her friend."

Notes

Issues

{BOX}


cmavo: to'o (FAhA4)

Proposed Definition

Orientation. It indicates that the event is oriented away from a certain direction. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the direction the event faces away from.

Proposed Tag

fi'o fardukti

See Also

  • {fa'a}
  • {fardukti})

Proposed Keywords

  • away from
  • in the opposite direction of

Usage Examples

ki'u ma lo do gerku cu bajra to'o do
"Why does your dog run away from you?"

Notes

Issues

{BOX}


cmavo: ze'o (FAhA4)

Proposed Definition

Location. It indicates that the event is located beyond a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is on the other side of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se ragve

See Also

  • {zo'a}
  • {zo'i}
  • {ragve})

Proposed Keywords

  • beyond
  • further than
  • on the other side of
  • across

Usage Examples

lo srasu pe ze'o lo bitmu cu ro roi ri'ozma
"The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence."

Notes

Issues

{BOX}


cmavo: zo'a (FAhA4)

Proposed Definition

Location. It indicates that the event is located by a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is alongside of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se noryragve

See Also

  • {ze'o}
  • {zo'i}
  • {noryragve})

Proposed Keywords

  • by
  • alongside

Usage Examples

mi pu cliva lo karce zo'a lo malsi
"I left the car by the side of the temple."

Notes

Issues

{BOX}


cmavo: zo'i (FAhA4)

Proposed Definition

Location. It indicates that the event is located on this side of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is on this side of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se tolragve

See Also

  • {ze'o}
  • {zo'a}
  • {tolragve})

Proposed Keywords

  • on this side of
  • nearer than

Usage Examples

.e'o ko denpa zo'i lo klaji
"Please wait on this side of the street."

Notes

Issues

{BOX}


cmavo: fe'e (FEhE)

Proposed Definition

Spatial conversion. It converts a time tag into its space equivalent.

Proposed Tag

See Also

Proposed Keywords

  • space
  • spatial

Usage Examples

mi'a fe'e ru'i nai sisti lo nu litru kei gi'e zanfri lo jvinu
"We stopped our travel at intermittent places and enjoyed the scenery."

Notes

Issues

{BOX}


cmavo: mo'i (MOhI)

Proposed Definition

Motion. It converts a location tag into a tag that indicates motion into or towards that location.

Proposed Tag

See Also

Proposed Keywords

  • motion
  • movement

Usage Examples

mi mo'i ca'u citka lo mi sanmi
"While moving forward, I eat my meal."

Notes

Issues

{BOX}

General Section Issues

[1]

Disagreement/clarification/discussion on FAhA. (also in 'distance' FAhA)

fa'a as orientation - more discussion.

Also [2] , and particularily [3] (that last being rlpowell's summary)

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