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== Survey of Prior Discussions ==
== Survey of Prior Discussions ==


* '''bu'u'''
* '''bu'u'''
** [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg19140.html elp!! learning Lojban] - mailing list thread, 2001
** [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg19140.html Help!! learning Lojban] - mailing list thread, 2001
 
** [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg05164.html zi, vi, ca, bu'u] - mailing list thread, 2003
** [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg05164.html i, vi, ca, bu'u] - mailing list thread, 2003
* '''ne'a'''
* '''ne'a'''
 
** [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg17587.html Re: A set of questions] - mailing list thread, 2001
** [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg17587.html e: A set of questions] - mailing list thread, 2001
** [http://www.lojban.org/tiki//tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=1&comments_parentId=1656 Discussion] regarding [[BPFK Section: Distance]]
** [http://www.lojban.org/tiki//tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=1&comments_parentId=1656 iscussion] regarding [[BPFK Section: Distance]]
 
* '''ne'i'''
* '''ne'i'''
** [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=go%20outside&preview=2 o outside] - Wiki, 2001
** [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=go%20outside&preview=2 go outside] - Wiki, 2001
 
** [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg02303.html Reverse of ne'i?] - mailing list thread, 2002
** [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg02303.html everse of ne'i?] - mailing list thread, 2002


It seems that in many cases where '''pa'o''' is used, '''mo'i pa'o''' would be more accurate. Is this a misinterpretation on my part, or should this use be explicitly invalidated?
It seems that in many cases where '''pa'o''' is used, '''mo'i pa'o''' would be more accurate. Is this a misinterpretation on my part, or should this use be explicitly invalidated?
* When the event already contains "movement" (some vector) by virtue of its selbri, then '''mo'i pa'o''' is more often wrong than correct. '''mo'i''' in general is usually wrong. --[[selpa'i]]


== Proposed Definitions And Examples ==
== Proposed Definitions And Examples ==


=== Proposed Definition of ''bu'u'' ===
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=== cmavo: bu'u (FAhA3) ===
==== Proposed Definition ====
Coincident with. Indicates where the event is located. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates that which the event is coincident with, or in the same place as. The space equivalent of {ca}.


;'''bu'u''' (FAhA3): Coincident with. Indicates that something is here. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates something which it is coincident with, or in the same place as. The space equivalent of ca. See also: vi, va, vu, ne'i, ca.
==== Proposed Tag ====
fi'o se zvati


** Keywords: coincident. coinciding. at.
====See Also ====
* {zvati}
* {vi}
* {va}
* {vu}
* {ne'i}
* {ca}


=== Examples of ''bu'u'' Usage ===
==== Proposed Keywords ====
* coincident
* coinciding
* at


''cizra fa le nu la jimbraun mrobi'o bu'u le mi gugde''<br />
==== Usage Examples ====
;''cizra fa le nu la jimbraun mrobi'o bu'u le mi gugde'':It is strange that Jim Brown died in my country.


It is strange that Jim Brown died in my country.
;''i mi pu surla ze'a loi djedi bu'u le nurma'':I was relaxing for some days in the countryside.
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''i mi pu surla ze'a loi djedi bu'u le nurma''<br />
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=== cmavo: ne'a (FAhA3) ===


I was relaxing for some days in the countryside.
==== Proposed Definition ====
Indicates that the event is near a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates the point the event is near or close to or in the vicinity of.  


=== Proposed Definition of ''ne'a'' ===
==== Proposed Tag ====
fi'o se zvajbi


;'''ne'a''' (FAhA3): Indicates that something is adjacent. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates something which it is next to.
==== See Also ====
* {zvajbi}


** Keywords: adjacent. next to. approximating.
==== Proposed Keywords ====
*near
*close to
*in the vicinity of


=== Examples of ''ne'a'' Usage ===
==== Usage Examples ====
;lo verba cu zutse ne'a lo canko gi'e catlu lo cipni:''The children are sitting next to the window and watching birds.''
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''to'o le mi tcaci stuzi pe ne'a le canko mi viska le nu so'o te barja cu suksa cliva''<br />
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=== cmavo: ne'i (FAhA3) ===
==== Proposed Definition ====
Indicates that the event is inside something. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates what the event is inside of.


From my regular place next to the window, I saw many bar patrons suddenly leave.
==== Proposed Tag ====
fi'o se nenri


=== Proposed Definition of ''ne'i'' ===
==== See Also ====
* {nenri}


;'''ne'i''' (FAhA3): Indicates that something is within. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates something which it is inside.
==== Proposed Keywords ====
* within
* inside
* in


** Keywords: within. inside. in.
==== Usage Examples ====
;''le cinki ne'i cpare le rinci tubnu'':Within, the insect climbed the gutter.
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=== Examples of ''ne'i'' Usage ===
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=== cmavo: pa'o (FAhA3) ===
==== Proposed Definition ====
Intersecting. Indicates that the event passes through a certain point or area. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates what the event passes through.


''le cinki ne'i cpare le rinci tubnu''<br />
==== Proposed Tag ====
fi'o se pagre


Within, the insect climbed the gutter.
==== See Also ====
* {pagre}


=== Proposed Definition of ''pa'o'' ===
==== Proposed Keywords ====
* intersecting
* transverse
* transfixing
* passing through


;'''pa'o''' (FAhA3): Intersecting. Indicates that something is transverse. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates something which it is intersects. See also:
==== Usage Examples ====
;''ni'o le prije ca lo cabvanci cu xruti lo purdi pe le mivyka'a gi'e lebna lo balre pa'o lo canko be lo kumfa gi'e ba bo lebna lo cifnu noi zvati lo ckana pe lo verba kumfa'':That same afternoon, the doctor returned to the vivisectionist's garden, purloined one of his razors through the dressing room window, and on a second trip, removed his baby from the nursery basinette.
*([http://www.lojban.org/tiki/le+saske+smani&bl The Scientific Ape by Robert Louis Stevenson, tr. Jorge Llambías])


** Keywords: intersecting. transverse. transfixing. passing through.


===  Examples of ''pa'o'' Usage ===
;''i lo go'i pu se catra lo dikca be ri'a lo ratcu poi pu ba'o batci pa'o loi skori poi bevri lo dikca lo vo'a jirku'a'':It was killed by the electric charge caused by a rat that had bit through the cord that carried the electric charge to it.
*([http://laxmahispajispaji.blogspot.com/2006/03/lo-nuzba-zou-lo-ratcu-due-mei-cu-jai.html 2])


''ni'o le prije ca lo cabvanci cu xruti lo purdi pe le mivyka'a gi'e lebna lo balre pa'o lo canko be lo kumfa gi'e ba bo lebna lo cifnu noi zvati lo ckana pe lo verba kumfa'' ([http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=le+saske+smani&amp;bl he Scientific Ape by Robert Louis Stevenson, tr. Jorge Llambías])<br />
;''.i mi sutra joiku'i.o'a banli cadzu pa'o la'ele cravro noi tilju je jadycau'':I swiftly but grandly walked through The Front Door, Which Is Heavy And Plain.
*([http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/ckafybarja1 Ckafybarja, Nick Nicholas])


That same afternoon, the doctor returned to the vivisectionist's garden, purloined one of his razors through the dressing room window, and on a second trip, removed his baby from the nursery basinette.
;''i lu ai mi noroi za'ure'u klama ba'e tu sei la alis ca le nu pluta sisku pa'o le ricmei cu cusku'':'At any rate I'll never go ''there'' again!' said Alice as she picked her way through the wood.
*([http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/alice/alice_7.html Alice])
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''i lo go'i pu se catra lo dikca be ri'a lo ratcu poi pu ba'o batci pa'o loi skori poi bevri lo dikca lo vo'a jirku'a'' ([http://laxmahispajispaji.blogspot.com/2006/03/lo-nuzba-zou-lo-ratcu-due-mei-cu-jai.html])<br />
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=== cmavo: re'o (FAhA3) ===
==== Proposed Definition ====
Adjacent to. Indicates that the event is adjacent, touching or in contact with something. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates what the event is adjacent to, touching or contacting.


It was killed by the electric charge caused by a rat that had bit through the cord that carried the electric charge to it.
==== See Also ====
* {lamji}
* {te'e}


''.i mi sutra joiku'i.o'a banli cadzu pa'o la'ele cravro noi tilju je jadycau'' ([http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/ckafybarja1 kafybarja, Nick Nicholas])<br />
==== Proposed Tag ====
fi'o se lamji


I swiftly but grandly walked through The Front Door, Which Is Heavy And Plain.
==== Proposed Keywords ====
* adjacent
* abutting


''i lu ai mi noroi za'ure'u klama ba'e tu sei la alis ca le nu pluta sisku pa'o le ricmei cu cusku'' ([http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/alice/alice_7.html lice])<br />
==== Usage Examples ====
;''.i lo tanxe porsi cu muvdu re'o mi'':A succession of boxes moves adjacent to me.
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'At any rate I'll never go ''there'' again!' said Alice as she picked her way through the wood.


=== Proposed Definition of ''re'o'' ===
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=== cmavo: te'e (FAhA3) ===
==== Proposed Definition ====
Bordering. Indicates that the event is located at an edge, boundary or border. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates what the event is at an edge, boundary or border of.


;'''re'o''' (FAhA3): Adjacent to. Indicates that something is adjacent, touching or contacting. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates something which it is adjacent to, touching or contacting.  See also: te'e.
==== See Also ====
* {koizva}
* {re'o}


** Keywords: adjacent, abutting.
==== Proposed Tag ====
fi'o se koizva


=== Examples of ''re'o'' Usage ===
==== Proposed Keywords ====
* bordering
* edging


''.i lo tanxe porsi cu muvdu re'o mi''<br />
==== Usage Examples ====
;''mi pu zu ze'i mo'i te'e cadzu'':A long time ago in the past, I walked for a short time along the edge.


A succession of boxes moves adjacent to me.
==== Notes ====
"into" is removed as a keyword from "ne'i" because "into" signifies motion.


===  Proposed Definition of ''te'e'' ===
== Impact ==
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;'''te'e''' (FAhA3): Bordering. Indicates that something is at an edge, boundary or border. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates something which it is at an edge, boundary or border of. See also: re'o.
** Keywords: bordering. edging.
===  Examples of ''te'e'' Usage ===
''mi pu zu ze'i mo'i te'e cadzu''<br />
A long time ago in the past, I walked for a short time along the edge.
==  Notes ==
"into" is removed as a keyword from "ne'i" because "into" signifies motion.


== Impact ==
== Poll ==
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Latest revision as of 22:51, 3 April 2020

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Survey of Prior Discussions

It seems that in many cases where pa'o is used, mo'i pa'o would be more accurate. Is this a misinterpretation on my part, or should this use be explicitly invalidated?

  • When the event already contains "movement" (some vector) by virtue of its selbri, then mo'i pa'o is more often wrong than correct. mo'i in general is usually wrong. --selpa'i

Proposed Definitions And Examples

cmavo: bu'u (FAhA3)

Proposed Definition

Coincident with. Indicates where the event is located. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates that which the event is coincident with, or in the same place as. The space equivalent of {ca}.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se zvati

See Also

  • {zvati}
  • {vi}
  • {va}
  • {vu}
  • {ne'i}
  • {ca}

Proposed Keywords

  • coincident
  • coinciding
  • at

Usage Examples

cizra fa le nu la jimbraun mrobi'o bu'u le mi gugde
It is strange that Jim Brown died in my country.
i mi pu surla ze'a loi djedi bu'u le nurma
I was relaxing for some days in the countryside.


cmavo: ne'a (FAhA3)

Proposed Definition

Indicates that the event is near a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates the point the event is near or close to or in the vicinity of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se zvajbi

See Also

  • {zvajbi}

Proposed Keywords

  • near
  • close to
  • in the vicinity of

Usage Examples

lo verba cu zutse ne'a lo canko gi'e catlu lo cipni
The children are sitting next to the window and watching birds.


cmavo: ne'i (FAhA3)

Proposed Definition

Indicates that the event is inside something. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates what the event is inside of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se nenri

See Also

  • {nenri}

Proposed Keywords

  • within
  • inside
  • in

Usage Examples

le cinki ne'i cpare le rinci tubnu
Within, the insect climbed the gutter.


cmavo: pa'o (FAhA3)

Proposed Definition

Intersecting. Indicates that the event passes through a certain point or area. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates what the event passes through.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se pagre

See Also

  • {pagre}

Proposed Keywords

  • intersecting
  • transverse
  • transfixing
  • passing through

Usage Examples

ni'o le prije ca lo cabvanci cu xruti lo purdi pe le mivyka'a gi'e lebna lo balre pa'o lo canko be lo kumfa gi'e ba bo lebna lo cifnu noi zvati lo ckana pe lo verba kumfa
That same afternoon, the doctor returned to the vivisectionist's garden, purloined one of his razors through the dressing room window, and on a second trip, removed his baby from the nursery basinette.


i lo go'i pu se catra lo dikca be ri'a lo ratcu poi pu ba'o batci pa'o loi skori poi bevri lo dikca lo vo'a jirku'a
It was killed by the electric charge caused by a rat that had bit through the cord that carried the electric charge to it.
.i mi sutra joiku'i.o'a banli cadzu pa'o la'ele cravro noi tilju je jadycau
I swiftly but grandly walked through The Front Door, Which Is Heavy And Plain.
i lu ai mi noroi za'ure'u klama ba'e tu sei la alis ca le nu pluta sisku pa'o le ricmei cu cusku
'At any rate I'll never go there again!' said Alice as she picked her way through the wood.


cmavo: re'o (FAhA3)

Proposed Definition

Adjacent to. Indicates that the event is adjacent, touching or in contact with something. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates what the event is adjacent to, touching or contacting.

See Also

  • {lamji}
  • {te'e}

Proposed Tag

fi'o se lamji

Proposed Keywords

  • adjacent
  • abutting

Usage Examples

.i lo tanxe porsi cu muvdu re'o mi
A succession of boxes moves adjacent to me.



cmavo: te'e (FAhA3)

Proposed Definition

Bordering. Indicates that the event is located at an edge, boundary or border. When tagging a sumti, the sumti indicates what the event is at an edge, boundary or border of.

See Also

  • {koizva}
  • {re'o}

Proposed Tag

fi'o se koizva

Proposed Keywords

  • bordering
  • edging

Usage Examples

mi pu zu ze'i mo'i te'e cadzu
A long time ago in the past, I walked for a short time along the edge.

Notes

"into" is removed as a keyword from "ne'i" because "into" signifies motion.

Impact

Poll

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