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A proposed reform of Lojban that keeps surfacing from different people at different times under different names.  Its core is "Why not base the gismu on just one language [[jbocre: which turns out in practice to be English|which turns out in practice to be English]] so people can learn them more easily?"
A proposed reform of Lojban that keeps surfacing from different people at different times under different names.  Its core is "Why not base the gismu on just one language [[jbocre: which turns out in practice to be English|which turns out in practice to be English]] so people can learn them more easily?"


The classic rebuttal is "Using English words imports the semantics of English, which doesn't match Lojban [[jbocre: place structure|place structure]] semantics."
The classic rebuttal is "Using English words imports the semantics of English, which doesn't match Lojban [[place structure|place structure]] semantics."


Here are some examples:
Here are some examples:

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A proposed reform of Lojban that keeps surfacing from different people at different times under different names. Its core is "Why not base the gismu on just one language which turns out in practice to be English so people can learn them more easily?"

The classic rebuttal is "Using English words imports the semantics of English, which doesn't match Lojban place structure semantics."

Here are some examples:

  • [1] (search "Jeffrey Kegler"), 1988
  • [2] (discussed on the mailing list here), 2005