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A big nasty mess.
Inevitable lujvo war :-)


See [[jbocre: G�del Numbers and Lojban]] for some people complaining about it.
Re ''ninsiski'' (originally used) -> ''ninsisli'u'':


[[jbocre: Jay Kominek|Jay]] just noticed that there is a body of literature describing algorithms which can produce finite automata, given positive and negative examples of the strings which the automata are supposed to recognize. Presumably someone with enough spare time could write some software which takes a big list of examples, and generates an automaton. (And then, whenever you find things that should be, but aren't, or are, but shouldn't be recognized, then can just be added to the appropriate list, and the automata regenerated, rather than the current system used by [[jbocre: jbofi'e|jbofi'e]]. ''Probably'' not the best way of generating a human-interpretable description of the morphology, but it sure would be convenient from the stand point of automated recognition.)
*ninsisli'u. sisku x2 won't allow lo kensa.
** Why does ninsiski need to have siski's place structure? whats wrong with ''x1 explores volume/set x2 for thing x3''?
 
***What's right with "x1 searches for previously undiscovered property x2 among x3" is that it's a lot easier to predict, given the place structures of ''cnino'' and ''sisku''. Yes, [[seljvajvo|seljvajvo]] are my hobby-horse, not yours; but ''ninsisku'' to me doesn't mean "explore"; it means "search for something new" (as in, search, Lojban style, as in, search for property to be matched [[x2]] by what you find within a set of candidates [[x3]].) If you don't agree, fine; I can't and won't compel you to use ''ninsisku'' the way I prefer. (I'm hoping you're blinded by its sheer reasonableness instead. :-) ) But remember, you might have to tell people you mean 'explore' instead of 'search, Lojban style, for something new', because the latter is a quite reasonable default assumption. (Oh, and exploration's primarily about travel anyway, I believe.) -- mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
**** I'll be convinced quite a bit more by the construction of a lujvo which ''does'' mean exploration, rather than saying mine doesn't mean exploration. :) --[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]
 
**** Um, dude: ''ninsisli'u'': le ninsisli'u (noi se cnino zi'e noi sisku) cu litru le se litru (poi lu'i ke'a se sisku ku'o); le te litru; le se sisku. x1 explores area x2, using means x3, searching for x4. Whaddaya think? -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]].
***** Er. Durh. Now I feel silly. Ok. That one is excellent. (Changed it above)

Latest revision as of 15:35, 23 March 2014

Inevitable lujvo war :-)

Re ninsiski (originally used) -> ninsisli'u:

  • ninsisli'u. sisku x2 won't allow lo kensa.
    • Why does ninsiski need to have siski's place structure? whats wrong with x1 explores volume/set x2 for thing x3?
      • What's right with "x1 searches for previously undiscovered property x2 among x3" is that it's a lot easier to predict, given the place structures of cnino and sisku. Yes, seljvajvo are my hobby-horse, not yours; but ninsisku to me doesn't mean "explore"; it means "search for something new" (as in, search, Lojban style, as in, search for property to be matched x2 by what you find within a set of candidates x3.) If you don't agree, fine; I can't and won't compel you to use ninsisku the way I prefer. (I'm hoping you're blinded by its sheer reasonableness instead. :-) ) But remember, you might have to tell people you mean 'explore' instead of 'search, Lojban style, for something new', because the latter is a quite reasonable default assumption. (Oh, and exploration's primarily about travel anyway, I believe.) -- mi'e nitcion
        • I'll be convinced quite a bit more by the construction of a lujvo which does mean exploration, rather than saying mine doesn't mean exploration. :) --Jay
        • Um, dude: ninsisli'u: le ninsisli'u (noi se cnino zi'e noi sisku) cu litru le se litru (poi lu'i ke'a se sisku ku'o); le te litru; le se sisku. x1 explores area x2, using means x3, searching for x4. Whaddaya think? -- nitcion.
          • Er. Durh. Now I feel silly. Ok. That one is excellent. (Changed it above)